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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. ElimiGator

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    I can’t argue much on that considering you also need pilots. Israel is using drones to locate static targets and then using directed ordinance to take them out. It’s such a concentrated area too. Im just a big fan of the hog. I used to watch them up close while stationed in Ft Hood, TX. Somebody will put them to good use.
     
  2. chemgator

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    Avdiivka looks like it is this year's Bakhmut for Russia--unbelievable carnage for Russia in exchange for minimal territory of limited strategic value. It is probably worse this time around, because Wagner is not doing the fighting, and many of the soldiers who are fighting for Russia have almost no training or experience. One Russian blogger is recommending that Russian soldiers bring their own body bag to the battlefield (that should motivate the troops!).

    Video compilation of Russian fiasco at Avdiyivka’s meat grinder

    Occupiers recommending that Russian soldiers bring their own body bags to failed blitzkrieg at Battle of Avdiyivka

     
  3. chemgator

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    An interesting article claims that Russia's economy "needs" the U.S., and that it is slowly becoming China's vassal state. Russia has very little trade with any other country, so China gets to set prices and terms of the trade.

    China's economic partnership with Russia is so lopsided that Putin needs the help of the US — but he'd never admit that, think tank says

     
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    We could start with turning the iPhone and Adidas track suit pipeline back on.
     
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    Win the hearts of the gopniks and you win the hearts of the nation.

     
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  8. uftaipan

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    I’m not interested in what pleases them either. Russia can please me by retiring immediately to its side of the 2014 borders. Following that, I would be likewise pleased to discuss how we can reintegrate them into the West, diplomatically, economically, and informationally. Until then, they can continue to please me by dying in great numbers and descending into economic chaos.
     
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  9. chemgator

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    Maybe the Tors systems need a few minutes to power up and get set to fire, and they might be destroyed before they could do so. Also, you could have infantry with shoulder-fired missiles hiding on either side of the column, looking for anti-aircraft equipment, and instructed to only fire on those units. It would be worth the risk, in my opinion, of getting an aircraft or two shot down, if the plus side was wiping out entire columns of tanks, IFV's, and trucks. Even if only a third of the Russian vehicles were destroyed, they would be thrown into so much disarray that ground forces would destroy most of the rest before it could escape. Russia likely wouldn't recover from that, and might give up on Ukraine if they lost a high percentage of its armor literally on the road to Kiev.
     
  10. chemgator

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    Surprisingly, A-10's are being sent to the middle east for some reason. Possibly to discourage Syria from getting involved.

    US A-10 attack planes arrive in Middle East in bid to deter wider war

     
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  11. PITBOSS

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  12. uftaipan

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    Not only physically attritted but also we have learned a great deal about how much less capable their air and sea forces are than we had believed.
     
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  13. chemgator

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    The other reason (besides survivability) that Ukraine really likes the Leopard tanks is the lack of noise. It makes as much noise as a diesel van, so they can get within 200m of an enemy before opening fire. Russian tanks can be heard from a mile and a half away.

    Leopard’s purr is giving Ukraine’s tank troops an element of surprise

     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    Russian drone supplies coming mostly from China. Past time for that to come at a price to China but the US needs a EU coalition to announce first sanctions related to this. makes me regret buying a dji drone. sad that US drone companies are so far behind chinese tech

    "Today, all drones come from China": Russia's Finance Minister publicly acknowledges where they get UAVs from (msn.com)

    Media reports say Chinese leader Xi Jinping has stated that despite friendly ties with Moscow, China maintains neutrality regarding the war in Ukraine.

    "He was struck by reports that both sides could use Chinese-made drones for reconnaissance and possibly attacks," the Associated Press reported.

    However, in July 2023, after analysing customs data, Politico claimedthat China had secretly sold drones worth more than US$100 million to Russia.

    As the magazine highlighted, China, despite calling for peace, has actively increased trade in dual-use goods with Russia over the past year, helping Moscow, among other things, to import sanctioned Western technology.
     
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    Israeli tanks now being fitted with ‘cope cages.’ Remember when they laughed when the Russians did it ?
     
  16. G8trGr8t

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    the kamikaze charge failed, massive losses, now the intensity has dropped. have to wonder what discussions are going on in the C & C rooms as well as withe the ground level russian troops

    Russia's assault on a key eastern Ukraine city is weakening, Kyiv claims, as the war marks 600 days (msn.com)

    A dayslong attempt by Russian forces to storm a strategically important city in eastern Ukraine appears to be running out of steam, Kyiv officials claimed Monday, as the Kremlin’s war entered its 600th day.

    Ukrainian forces repelled 15 Russian attacks from four directions on Avdiivka over the previous 24 hours, the Ukrainian General Staff said.

    That compared with up to 60 attacks a day in the middle of last week, according to Vitalii Barabash, head of the city administration. The slackening suggests the Russian effort to capture Avdiivka has “deflated,” Barabash said.

    A Washington-based think tank broadly concurred with that assessment. “Russian forces continued offensive operations aimed at encircling Avdiivka … but have yet to make further gains amid a likely decreasing tempo of Russian operations in the area,” the Institute for the Study of War said in analysis published late Sunday.
     
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  17. VAg8r1

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    Although it's a distinction without a real difference is China selling the drones to Russia because the Chinese have decided to intervene in the war on behalf of Russia or is the primary motivation for the sale of drones the export income earned from the sale of a product produced in China?
     
  18. 92gator

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    China's only interest is China. They're not intervening by supplying toys to Russia anymore than we are by supplying toys to Ukraine.

    Sales profits from the drones are also Secondary.

    China is supplying Russia bc they've deemed the war bt Rus-Ukr to be beneficial to China--probably bc the longer it goes on, the more the US spends...and imo, the end game for China is to coax us into spending ourselves into ruin, as we did to the USSR.

    That would leave China as the sole, reigning superpower (and the yuan as the world currency--and all the benys that go witit those...).

    TBL: As Petty sung: it's good to King--and China wants desperately to be King.
     
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  19. PITBOSS

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    Awful. We have a hard time discerning how to respond to China for their overfishing globally, directly supporting Russia, stealing our secrets, human rights violations, etc.
     
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  20. 92gator

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    I don't give a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

    China is THE real threat to the US.

    ...so go on an dismiss republicans as dumbass Russian bots or what have you, but Russia has proven inept, not even able to get past midfield EAST OF NATO, and somehow were supposed to fear them conquering the world.

    Meanwhile, China pulls puppet strings, and the world's leaders dance like marionettes.
     
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