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US hit record oil production of 13.1M - Thanks Biden!

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Oct 14, 2023.

  1. G8R92

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    New refineries coming online outside the US.

    Credit to @G8trGr8t for posting this in the "US Core inflation level lowest in 3 years" thread at post #101.

    New Refineries Are Coming Online. Why They Could Lower Gas Prices.

     
  2. G8trGr8t

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    $28 for diesel

    wow. i missed that. If I was a refiner, i think i would be transitioning more to diesel, but i don't know how hard that would be. If/when more sour from Venezuela comes back on line, that margin may decrease.

    higher nat gas prices in US due to more LNG to world market also drives up energy costs for the US refiners, a big advantage that they had on some other refiners. more refineries are planned/under construction in the ME that will also enjoy lower nat gas prices to help fuel their operations. Add'l units to come on line in Nigeria in 24. Still uncertain as to whether these will add to global supply and not just balance out closing of older refineries.


    New refineries to overrun inefficient plants by 2024 | The Guardian Nigeria News - Nigeria and World News — Energy — The Guardian Nigeria News – Nigeria and World News


    An increase in the number of new refining capacity, expected to extend till the end of 2024, signifies major competition ahead for the oil industry, with possible shutdowns, the International Energy Agency (IEA), said in its Oil 2019 Report.

    The IEA noted specifically that such a capacity expansion will require shutdowns to balance, estimating that 4.3 million barrels daily (b/d) should theoretically be closed by 2024, so that the new additions do not exceed the products demand growth.

    Nigeria seeks to restart four state oil refineries by end 2024 | Reuters

    Crude Oil Refinery Projects Analysis and Forecast by Region, Key Countries, Project Type (New Build and Expansion), Development Stage, and Cost 2027 (globaldata.com)


    Some of the key Crude oil refinery projects are Hambantota III, Siraf, Balochistan II, Yulong, Ras Al-Khair, and Khalifa among others. Siraf, operated by Siraf Refineries Infrastructure Co expected to commission operations by 2024 will have a production capacity of 480mbd.
     
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  3. citygator

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    Yep. I have no issues.
     
  4. QGator2414

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    Got you. The good policy is to deplete the SPR in order to artificially reduce prices and not be concerned about the consequences as we now have two major global conflicts.

    Of course I am sure you agreed with the morons in congress playing politics with Covid instead of maxing filling the SRP when prices were crazy low? Because if trump supported it…it had it be bad. :rolleyes:
     
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  5. citygator

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    Meh. It was specifically done to provide pricing relief at the pump for a time period when prices were artificially high. The move made us Billions of dollars now that we are filling it up over time at lower prices than we sold it.

    I think the actual relief was minimal from a price perspective as it was estimated to help somewhere between 14 and 31 cents. That is what it is there for. Emergencies. See the Katrina response.

    We wont need it but if we do you can gloat. What’s the over/under?
     
  6. QGator2414

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    Now we have two major global conflicts and the reserves are way low. We had the opportunity to actually make a no brainer decision and buy at historically low prices. But instead we decided to play politics with Covid.
     
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  7. citygator

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    I’m sorry the US made money selling oil at its peak. It must really rub you the wrong way.
     
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  8. dangolegators

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    What are you talking about? When, since 2022, have we had historically low oil prices?
     
  9. OklahomaGator

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    April 2020, Trump wanted to buy oil and fill the SPR when oil was at historically low prices and Senator Schumer blocked it. I believe that is what QGator2414 is talking about.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    Was it a clean bill or what was attached to it?
     
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  11. OklahomaGator

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    Oil purchase to fill strategic reserve dropped from stimulus - Roll Call

    "The Trump administration’s plan to top off the Strategic Petroleum Reserve ran into a blockade Wednesday after lawmakers excluded $3 billion in funding for oil purchases from the massive stimulus package before Congress.

    Senate Democrats took credit for stripping out that money from the Senate bill, unveiled Wednesday, calling it a “bailout” for the oil industry."

    At the time oil was around $30 a barrel. How much is Biden spending now to refill it?
     
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  12. QGator2414

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    Crude oil futures were at lows in March and April of 2020...

    historical oil prices - Google Search
     
  13. QGator2414

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    Exactly. Instead we played politics when we had what should have been a bipartisan no brainer decision.
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    if it was a clean bill, it was a stupid move by the dems; neither party has the monopoly on stupid, majority of the infection, likely, but not the monopoly.
     
  15. GatorJMDZ

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    LOL, do you ever check ANYTHING? Current SPR is 351.27 million barrels. At the current rate we import oil, that quantity, combined with our domestic production, is enough to last 711.54 days.

    Do I wish we had increased it when we could have done so? Sure. Are we in panic mode? Hardly.
     
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  16. dave_the_thinker

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    Enjoy it while it lasts, give him his victory lap. Oil companies in the US pay a lot of taxes that otherwise would be on us. (may be a factor preventing him from putting a stop to it)

    On the flipside, the crude export ban that was lifted in 2015 is starting to cost us at the pump. We exported petroleum before this ban was lifted, but at least it was refined here first.

    Exporting crude to be refined elsewhere is a slippery slope that can take away our energy cost advantage.
     
  17. dangolegators

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    Thanks for clarifying. Fortunately this whole debate will be moot in another decade or so as we phase out gas-powered cars for EV. I'm assuming we can all agree that will be a good thing, but that might be asking for too much.
     
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  18. citygator

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    Gas price was $3.10 this morning in Charlotte. Wife said it's $2.89 5 miles from us across the border in South Carolina.
     
  19. gatorpa

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    You’re dodging the point about not filling the SPR when oil was at $20/bbl imagine the profit we would have made then!
     
  20. gatorpa

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    Good luck with that pipe dream.
    It will be 50 years or more before the world is off Oil if we are lucky.
    The demand from the devolving world will increase offsetting the decreased demand from the 1st world.
    I’ve posted the predictions here not long ago.
     
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