Update: Right wing heroes charged (McCloskey‘s)

“Senator Hawley, who believes in the Constitution, is usurping the will of the voters. I thought the Republican Party was all about states’ rights and local control. What happened?” You kind of left that out.

 

You still have not alleged a constitutional violation.

 

Ok, I called her any idiot because she believes that the will of the voter takes precedent over the constitution, and it read kind of snarkey "Senator Hawley, who believes in the constitution" I guess she doesn't. She believes in mob rule.

 

Aren't these kind of arguments usually made in court? After someone has actually been charged with a crime? You know who protects individuals from "the mob?" The defense attorney, the judge, and the jury. I guess you're on the side that thinks every Republican in the chain of command should be called upon to interfere in a local matter.
Fire the prosecutor! Right out of Trump's playbook.

Hawley is up for reelection. This is fodder for the campaign.

 

Collecting evidence and taking statements makes her a believer in mob rule? What do you call all the Pubs that are pushing back, including some who have no business trying to influence a public official through intimidation?

 

Yeah, that's not her point. If anything, she's arguing the opposite.

 

Pubs are causing the intimidation makes sense. An angry mob can trespass on your property, and if you try to defend yourself. They will take your guns, and leave you defenseless.

 

Well I will agree to disagree.

 

Hysterical hyperbole.

 

dont think it’s unreasonable for someone to come to a conclusion that these people are being made an example.

 

Yes I am hysterical, and I am done with this conversation.

 

There is a video posted twice in this thread of the gate fully intact while the protestors are walking through it. For all I know, the McCloskey’s did that to help their case.

 

The city attorney is in favor of mob rule.
"angry mob," trespassing in their yard
they'll take your guns and leave you defenseless

Plus, all the breathless drama emanating from the Mccluskey's on FOX about the massive "invasion," of "300-500" looters and arsonists, and being afraid for their lives, etc.

HYPERBOLIC

 

The same folks who defiantly refuse to wear a mask with a deadly virus floating around are suddenly scared to death of some protestors walking down the street. LOL. These people pick and choose what to fear in life.

 

They are being made an example. If you point your guns at a huge crowd of people on video and go viral, they're going to make an example out of you.

 

I’ve seen a whole lot worse alleged threats that were roundly ignored without even a ‘talking to’. I wasn’t there so I can’t speak to how threatened they felt whether real or perceived. I do think there is validity in that they didn’t get in the car and go looking for a fight, the protest to came to them. That is also not a new tactic... Antagonize someone and hope for a response and use that response for propaganda . I don’t think this crowd was looking to antagonize these specific people but when you go a specific residential neighborhood you are hoping for a response. What was motivation to come to this street ? Why come through that gate at all to what you know is a private street ? There are plenty places to be heard for your grievance.

 

Well I'm sure you can come up with scenarios where anything happens. But I know of a scenario where a friend was approached by a neighbor complaining of traffic caused by friends business. It got contentious so friend (in car) decided to display his gun. Angry neighbor left, later came back and held gun to the head of one of the employees. None of that had to happen.

Know of an instance where old marine lives at house. Another elderly lady came by to bring something over to his wife, knocked on door, and old guy comes through his garage displaying his gun.

Having a gun changes how you react. Without a gun you are more likely to avoid contentious or dangerous situations. With a gun you probably take more risks and are more likely to "stand your ground". Sure I'm generalizing and not everybody acts the same way. And there may be places where I may want to have a gun, although if I needed a gun to feel safe I probably wouldn't live there in the first place. I'm just kind of baffled at all these people who think they need a gun to be safe. Having a gun also introduces certain risks in a household. It is debatable whether having a gun in the house actually makes you safer (suicide, domestic violence, gun accident). The evidence is somewhat mixed on that.

 

No, it didn't. They could have stayed in the house.

As I said before, if you point firearms at a massive crowd of people, get caught on video, and have the video go viral, they're going to make an example out of you.

They were going to the Mayor's house.

 

I wasnt there. I cannot confidently conclude what happened. I’ve seen plenty of video that left out of context would look very damning. Heck. The Rodney King video burned sections of LA. These people did have their firearms confiscated for evidence

 

Ask the idiot in chief and his supporters.

St. Louis couple who pointed guns at protesters appear as guest stars during virtual Trump campaign event