UPDATE: Ahmaud Arbery's 3 murderers all found guilty. Sentenced to LIFE in prison.

The McMichaels used "prior burglaries" as the reason for the citizens arrest. The only burglary reported was the gun stolen from their vehicle in January. I suspect that's what this is about or something similar to that. Some personal vendetta.

That doesn't mean Arbery committed the burglary or their belief was reasonable.

 

I think McM made that "prior burglaries," thing up out of whole cloth, as a CYA measure. Produce the person or communication that gave him the impression that the neighborhood was having a burglary crime wave, and I'll reconsider.

 

Let's get to the point here, you can't hold a civil conversation on a sensitive subject without insulting the other party. It's sad.

I'd ask what you actually disagree with, but I have a feeling it would be a waste of time.

 

Okay, but they're defending their actions. There were no prior burglaries, except for their gun from their vehicle. And neither of them had any idea who stole it. So why assume Arbery took it? Because they were suspicious of the black man who would jog through the neighborhood?

 

I didn't insult you, brother. I implied you're going out of your way to concoct a story where this is personal because you don't want it to be about race. The fact that you got this defensive over it indicates there might be truth to that. Do you think if Ahmaud Arbery was a white man named James Smith jogging through the neighborhood under the same circumstances that they would have jumped in their trucks, chased him down, and shot him like that?

 

I think he was full of crap, too. I wouldn't take anything he says at face value. On the other hand, it might hint at what he was really thinking.

 

Well, yes, it does hint at what he was really thinking . . . that Ahmaud was a burglar. Your belief is that was because he had a personal vendetta. My belief is that was because McMichael's racism led him to view the black jogger as a burglar. Of course, our views aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. McMichael could suspect Arbery of being the guy who stole his gun because of his race.

 

Total BS. It's a tired rhetorical strategy used on message boards. You imply something personal about the other party, the other party calls you out on it, and you deny meaning anything by it while affirming that it must be true because the other party got offended.

Get lost.

 

The only "personal" thing I implied is that you'd prefer to live in a world where racism isn't still a major issue. That's true for a lot of white people. But as I said, I never insulted you. I questioned your motives. I didn't deny meaning anything by it. I was quite clear what I meant by it. You're doing mental gymnastics to justify this not being racial. Take a step back, assess what the simplest and most rational explanation is here, and then assess if your stance is holding to that.

 

You should take me off 'ignore'. We would have such great fun!

 

3rd person arrested, charged with murder and false imprisonment.

Man who filmed deadly shooting of Ahmaud Arbery now charged with murder

Also the GBI conducted a search of the McMichael home earlier this week.

Update: GBI execute search warrant for Gregory & Travis McMichael’s home

 

I just came here to post this. I was wondering when the Roddy dude would be arrested as he was definitely participating in the chase.

 

I've already weighed in, and I am NOT defending this dude's actions.

However, this also illustrates the lunacy of "felony murder" laws. I find this cat despicable until new data changes my mind. But murder? That is also ludicrous. He'll likely get off, and IMO should, but he also shouldn't be in this spot. Tison v. Arizona, 1987. In case you wonder how important SCOTUS judges are.

 

Lets cut to the chase here...I lived in Atlanta for a couple years in 1972/73 and for a year not long ago. You know what has changed? The incredible number of highly educated African Americans. Do you know what hasn't changed? The racism that is really deep among the white population and this has created a divide in Atlanta for sure but venture out of the city the attitudes are very clear.
Don't believe me...try sitting at a Mexican restaurant bar as a white guy and see how many assume that you think like they do. The honesty just seems to come rolling out of some folks.

So if anybody thinks these guys had no thoughts that a black guy had invaded their space and even worse that a black guy was running in their space so he had to be a criminal, then you are out of touch with the average Georgian. I will use a disclaimer that not all Georgians are racist but there are certainly far more than should exist and they really do not like blacks and in turn blacks are very distrustful of the whites. It's 2020 folks and this is the best we have achieved.

 

My first wife's family was from Atlanta. At first they were racist as all get out. When I got them up to speed that our African American brothers and sisters share the same 46 chromosomes as us "regular white people", they change their attitude. Plus, seeing the change in population in east Atlanta where they grew up, and seeing how many Atlanta brothers and sisters were wildly successful in their chosen professions they finally understood. Atlanta rocks. Athens on the other hand...

 

I don't want it to be about race either but the idiots who murdered (lynched?) a black man for jogging thru a neighborhood kind of made it that way.

 

Travis McMichael used a racist slur just after Ahmaud Arbery was shot, according to the person who filmed the encounter

Yes, this shooting was definitely not about race.

 

I just love that we literally watch three guys run down an unarmed man who had done nothing wrong, see them cut him off in a truck, surround him and soot him, and some folks see no racism or ask “what about”? Same folks Like trump bought the “central park” jogger erroneous charges immediately with no questions.

Maybe this confirmation of racism finally makes folks question their biases.