UPDATE: Ahmaud Arbery's 3 murderers all found guilty. Sentenced to LIFE in prison.

Trayvon leveled him. The evidence of blood and blow to Zimmerman documented that. so did the angle of the shot with Trayvon over the top of Zimmerman

 

What makes you conclude this?

 

1. Ahmaud Arbery Murder Suspects Had Similar Confrontation 12 Days Before Shooting

Ahmaud Arbery's alleged murderers came face-to-face with a young black man in their neighborhood less than 2 weeks prior to the shooting -- and now another neighbor claims it was Ahmaud they confronted.



When Mr Arbery was in high school, he received five years probation for a first-time weapons charge and in 2018, was convicted of probation violation for shop lifting according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper .

Mr McMichael was reportedly involved in that 2018 case.

I also think it's pretty unlikely Arbery was the first black person they encountered in their neighborhood.

According to wikipedia:

The racial makeup of the city was 59.8% African American, 33.1% White (non-Hispanic), 0.3% Native American, 0.4% Asian, <0.1% Pacific Islander, 1.7% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races.

Brunswick, Georgia - Wikipedia

Was race a factor in the McMichaels's actions? Quite possibly. But like most homicides, it's far more likely that there was a history between the parties.

 

1. I don't know where you and DMZ are getting the "face to face confrontation thing," Travis McMichael evidently made a police report saying he'd seen a trespasser, nothing about up close and personal; the police report also makes no mention of McM senior or the other guy being present.
So McM Senior might have been involved in one of Arbery's cases, what does that prove? He had a long history in law enforcement, do you think he remembers everyone he interacted with? Especially shoplifters?

"History between the parties," means spouses are the first suspects, not that McM senior and Arbery passed each other in the courthouse halls.

I buy that the McMichael's saw someone in the English house, we know that there's ample video that there was a parade of people through there. How far from the McM's house is the English house?

 

150 yards. Go back a few pages I posted Google map photos. Eye view etc.

Post 659, 661,686

 

And a more likely explanation is the McMichaels spotted a random black guy jogging in their majority black city and lept out of bed to commence an impromptu armed takedown?

The shoplifting investigation that the elder McMichael participated in was less than two years ago. And Arbery's brother is a habitual criminal, presently incarcerated. I'd bet McMichael knew who he was. And even if he didn't, he'd seen him in the community and had some reason, at least in his own mind, to suspect him of more serious crimes. We'll learn more during discovery. No one is talking right now.

Did he have justification to attempt a "citizen's arrest"? I doubt it. I'd guess he's convicted of a manslaughter charge or maybe worse.

And most murder victims are men, so I have no idea what you mean by "spouses are the first suspects." About 80% of murder victims are men and about 80% know their killers.

 

Looks like an old friend of mine and his wife have just been hired by Greg McMichael; if he agreed to take the case, there must be some pretty compelling information that has yet to come to light.

 

When a husband/wife is murdered, the police look at the spouse first.

 

Then what was he doing? I know his mother says he was jogging, but I don't know how she knows. But he's described as running on the video at a jogger's pace. If he wasn't jogging, why was he running? He hadn't stolen anything. There was no stolen property on his person. There just seems to be no reason why he was running unless (Occam's Razor) he was jogging.

 

Yes. In a white neighborhood. I don't think anyone "leapt," out of bed. It was impromptu, they were armed, and Abery was definitely taken down.

 

I get that. But it made no sense as a response to what I said. Women are murdered much less frequently than men and very rarely murdered by other women.

Most murders are among men with some prior relationship. And this wasn't an attempted robbery. Racist or not it takes
some motivation to get up and shoot or stab someone.

 

A long read, but beautifully written.

Ahmaud Arbery Holds Us Accountable — THE BITTER SOUTHERNER

 

What do you think their motivation was? I think it was simple anger. To guess at a deeper motive, I'd have to know them personally.

 

If Zimmerman stayed in his truck as directed by the police dispatcher there never would have been a physical altercation between him and Martin. Speculation of course, but there is still the very real possibility that Zimmerman the wannabe cop threatened Trayvon Martin with his weapon and that Martin feared for his life and charged Zimmerman in what turned out to be a futile, incredibly stupid and ultimately suicidal attempt to disarm him.

 

Charging Zimmerman does not put Z on his back with a contusion on his face and Martin standing over him. The two cases are not comparable imo

 

I don't know what the motive was. But just because it's a white person shooting a black person in white neighborhood doesn't mean one doesn't exist other than racism. We'll learn more from the actual investigation and trial.

I do think the Father and son knew who he was. How much they knew I have no idea. Maybe they just identified him as someone whom they'd seen entering the construction site. Maybe it was mistaken identity. I suspect they thought he stole the hand gun they had reported missing in January because it was the only recent "burglary" reported in the area. And their behavior implied that they had experienced some kind of personal affront. The original plan appeared to be to trap him and hold him until law enforcement arrived. Maybe it was only because they were racist and had seen him enter the site, mistakenly believing that gave them the athority to point a gun at him. None of this means the shooting was justified.

 

What prior burglaries?

 

Ah, so we get to the point here. You don't want this to be about race.

 

I agree with most of this, but I don't believe their behavior indicates a "prior affront." I think they chased him because they didn't know who he was; if they had his name, they could just report him to the police. When Jr called the police operator he didn't say "hey, that Arbery guy is trespassing..."