UK facing it's hottest weather ever, wildfires in Spain and France

True, no need to waste time there. Not much more than disingenuous arguments from that one.

 

One would need to see all of the costs put on each of the sources to determine the validity of their estimates

 

China’s Commitment to Stop Overseas Financing of New Coal Plants in Perspective | Center for Strategic and International Studies (csis.org)
While the announcement is a welcome development, it remains open for interpretation until further clarification is provided. While many, including the UN secretary-general António Guterres, have interpreted the statement to refer to China’s role in financing coal, President Xi said that China would not build new coal-fired projects (不再新建境外煤电项目). This leaves the door open for a stricter interpretation that includes financing as well as holding equity, or even state-owned enterprise involvement in construction. But vagueness over the definition of “building” or “new” may also lend itself to a laxer interpretation that, for example, would allow financing of projects already in the pipeline. According to Boston University’s China’s Global Power Database, China is currently financing projects under construction or in the planning stage that add up to 33.5 gigawatts (GW) of coal capacity.

Finally, many of the world’s coal projects are funded through private rather than public financing. So, if China’s commitment is, as most are interpreting it, limited to state financing, it only does so much to stop the construction of new coal plants. UN secretary-general Guterres has repeatedly called for a global moratorium on new coal-fired power plants. Such a move would require international coordination and commitment from countries including but not limited to China in providing carbon-neutral alternatives for energy generation in developing countries, among other things.

A3: The Chinese leadership may have timed the unilateral announcement to signal a certain level of goodwill toward the United States and the European Union. In fact, the announcement comes on the heels of a call between President Biden and President Xi and John Kerry’s trip to China in early September and less than a month and a half from the COP26 conference. The Biden administration and EU governments had been mounting pressure on China specifically to put a stop to financing coal overseas.

International pressure, however, only partially explains the announcement, which has been welcomed by many within China, too. The decline in coal plants financed along the Belt and Road this past year suggests that the government had already decided to distance itself from such types of projects. Coal-fired power plants are now less economically competitive than a decade ago thanks to the declining cost of renewables, and they have been politically controversial in some of the countries hosting Chinese projects.

 

China Briefing, 31 March 2022: Impact of coal push; ‘No new overseas coal power projects’; Analysis on energy plans - Carbon Brief

China explains pledge of no new overseas coal plants
WHAT: Six months after China’s president Xi Jinping announced that the country “will not build new coal-fired power projects abroad”, the Chinese government has provided some explanations for the one-line pledge, which sparked various interpretations at the time. According to a new policy document published on Monday, China will “stop building new overseas coal power projects completely” and “push forward” those coal power projects that are under construction “steadily and cautiously”. It also stipulates that the country will “promote” the “green and low-carbon” development of those coal power projects that have been built, with instructions on how to achieve the goal.

WHO: The directives were released on Monday by four national-level government agencies in a set of “opinions” on the development of the “Belt and Road” Initiative (BRI), China’s global infrastructure development strategy. (China Briefing has explained the importance of “opinions” in China’s governing system.) The four agencies are the National Development and Reform Centre (the state economic planner), the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Ecology and Environment and the Ministry of Commerce. According to state media, all of these agencies are directly involved in leading the BRI, which was launched by Xi in 2013.

NEW PROJECTS: At the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) last September, Xi said that China “will not build new coal-fired power projects abroad” in a virtual address. Compared to that announcement, the directives go further by saying that China will stop building new overseas coal power projects “completely”. Dr Christoph Nedopil – associate professor of economics at the Fanhai International School of Finance (FISF) of Fudan University in Shanghai – told Carbon Brief that as far as he knows, this is the first policy document that has publicly explained Xi’s pledge. Dimitri de Boer – chief representative of the China office of ClientEarth, an environmental charity organisation – told Carbon Brief: “Although [Xi’s] pledge was already a top confirmation of the decision to do so, it is good to see this reaffirmation, and especially to see that there is no backsliding, in the face of the turbulent geopolitical situation today.”

 

Dang that makes you wonder if there were any scientist complaining about global warming in the 1930s?

 

Yep, all the CRIBS (China, Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa) nations... Biggest produces of "greenhouse" gasses as a collective. China produces more than twice that what the U.S. emits.

 

Who produces the most per capita?

 

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I was going to ask a similar question yesterday, but deleted the response and then got busy at work. The solar cycle is approximately 11 years. That is, the magnetic poles on the sun reverse every 11 years and sunspot activity is at a maximum. Next "solar maximum" is in 2025, but we're on the upswing of the cycle right now. I know this is more a measure of the sunspot and solar geomagnetic activity, but I won't pretend to understand and wanted to ask if it this cycle any effects on how hot nasty/mild a given season is. Any SMEs on this in here that can enlighten me?

 

In Arvada, Colorado it has been upper 90's - 102 the last few weeks and for some reason it has been muggie as hell. It does not rain here very often and when it does it is very lite & short. Where is the humidty coming from if not rain (like FLA)? Climate change has me going bonkers.

 

Come on Tilly the science is settled we know what Global and regional temps were for the last 300 million years, didn't you get the memo?

 

If it's in my area they will sell for cash...

 

Maybe that's why AT&T service has sucked last few days...

 

Could be. We dropped streaming TV service and are down to an antennae, which was having issues yesterday. I didn't think about it, but the solar storm could be impacting our signal.

 

No we dont know what a single week temperature spike was at any point in history. This could be a spike. It could be more. Without modern record keeping no one would know the extreme spikes of today 10k years from now. Yes an ice age may be tracked but individual spikes are not.

 

Now explain the other 15 years I've used them.

 

An important point if we didn't have any other data beyond this week. But we do. Lots of it. They release global temperature at an annual level each year.

 

But the average is much lower than this. My point is anomalies happen. They always have. Its the constant data that concerns me more than these blips

 

The blips are what cause the most damage. But the constant data is pretty consistent that global warming is happening.

 

Rather than start a new thread, I'll put this here. Turns out solar energy is saving Texas's ass right now. The state that falsely blamed wind turbines for the power outages in Feb 2021, is being saved from more power outages thanks to solar power.

“If you took the weather conditions from this year, and plopped them onto [the power infrastructure] from last year, it’s extremely likely that we would have had outages,” says Doug Lewin, a Texas-based energy consultant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/21/heat-energy-crisis-would-be-worse-without-solar/

 

Right, green energy isn't just cleaner, but increasingly cheaper than fossil fuels these days. Investing in green energy isn't just for the environment, it's for the economy as well. Everyone benefits from cheaper energy.

I'll also add that it's not impossible for nuclear to be economic. The construction cost of the reactor China is mass producing, the ACP1000, only costs about $2500/kW, which is about the same as solar panels. If you look at the cost of electricity per kwh it's about the same over there as well. With nuclear as baseload, intermittent renewables (solar, wind, hydro) added, we really just need an economical storage system (Batteries? Pumped hydro?) to act as peakers to have a fully green grid.