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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by LimeyGator, Jun 18, 2024.

  1. LimeyGator

    LimeyGator Official Brexit Reporter!

    Thought it was worth posting here as there are so many crossover points and similarities about the political right.

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    We're three weeks out from a general election and there's a lot going on:

    1. Labour are on course for a majority. This is not your Father's Labour party - it's much closer to the centre of UK politics than it was under Jeremy Corbyn, which pulled much further. Some who champion the Labour party dislike this as they don't think it goes far enough and is pandering to centre right voters (it probably is).

    2. The incumbent Conservatives are paying for 13 years of austerity-politics which has left public services in a dire state, a failed Brexit, a desperate flirt with populism under Boris Johnson and a disastrous market-ruining two months under Liz Truss. In fact, in the latest poll, they were overtaken by Reform UK which could see them lose the tag of official opposition. Not many will shed a tear.

    3. Nigel Farage - a political 'cat' with more than 9 lives apparently, who has failed to become an MP 7 straight times but still seems to be a popular chap, is now head of Reform and promising the usual unicorns and rainbows. You may remember him as a close ally of Donald Trump. Those that like him, love him. Those that don't, tend to milkshake him. My biggest issue has always been the way he has dogwhistled for racism and then claimed he isn't like that. Many others see it too. I don't know if you can watch this in the USA, but I recommend it if you can - it is NSFW Language but my, oh my, does it explain him - and Reform UK - bang to rights.

    4. Reform is very heavily invested in preventing immigration. Yes, it promises a whole raft of things that haven't been properly costed, selling a vision rather than a reality, but there it is. As such, I suspect it'll do quite well because frankly, not a lot of our electorate deal in the real world (see Brexit, 2016). They'll vote for him regardless of reality because partisan support is alive and well here as well.

    4. Reform UK will actually help Labour get its majority, ironically. Around 70% of those who are voting Reform are just angry at the Tory Government. By watering down the Right's vote, they actually are helping Labour win more seats. They've actually got the Tory party looking at them, rather than Labour.

    5. Farage should - at the eighth attempt become an MP in Clacton. He's expected to head over to the Tory party soon after the election as he positions himself as their new base/leader. The Tory lurch further to the fringes from the centre right is already in motion, potentially with Boris Johnson back in the fold too. It beggars believe that Financial and Social Conservatism can't go back to basics (which is still popular in Britain) without having to put a bunch of populist loons at the forefront.
     
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  2. swampbabe

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    July 4th is typically not good for Tories
     
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  3. gatordavisl

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    "Those that don't, tend to milkshake him." Milkshake? Help us out here, Limey.
     
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  4. obgator

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    Milkshaking - Wikipedia.
    Milkshaking is the act of throwing milkshakes and other drinks at targets as a means of political protest in a manner similar to egging or pieing. The target of a milkshaking is splashed or splattered with a milkshake that is thrown from a cup or bottle. The trend gained popularity in the United Kingdom in May 2019 during the European Parliament election and was used against right-wing and far-right political candidates, such as Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage and Carl Benjamin, as well as other members of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) and the Brexit Party.”
     
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  5. wgbgator

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    I guess they saw America's recent elections where all the contenders pander to the right, and were like "we want some of that!"
     
  6. mdgator05

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    Interesting how much that poll shows Plaid Cymru and SNP being wiped out as well. Is that just strength of Labour in those regions or are people turning against the regional groups now that the UK is out of the EU?
     
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  8. LimeyGator

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    Or British politics, generally speaking... :)


    Not condoning it. Also not as outraged as some people get. It hardly augers physical violence... it's British aggression at its finest.

    Lee Anderson is even more of a grifter than Nigel Farage.

    He once said of food banks, in the UK (keep in mind now more than 4 million kids live below the poverty line here):
    "Every do gooder is starting these little projects to make themselves feel good."

    Nice guy.
     
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  9. duggers_dad

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    I don’t know if Nigel will pull a single seat. But he’d sure breathe life into rasping (almost) corpse that is the British body politic.
     
  10. Gatorhead

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    Thank you for the update.
    One of many things that rub me raw about Britain:

    The Gov't essentially refused or set such miniscule limits on Ukranian immigration, it is .........non-existant and insulting.

    I can't speak for all of the imigration policies of every NATO country as it relates to Ukraine, but the British policy is an insult to itself,
    an insult to NATO members and certainly an insult to Ukraine.
     
  11. Gatorrick22

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    When will London's most popular baby boy name not be Mohammad? If it's not a name indigenous to England than you might have too much immigration... As an American I can see that we too mush limit the immigration into The States as well.

    Unchecked immigration is nothing more than an invasion.
     
  12. wgbgator

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    What names are "indigenous" to England? Some kind of incomprehensible prehistoric druidic name?
     
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    Arthur and Merlin are pretty cool names. Lol...

    I should have said traditional male names instead of ignominious since England has been invaded many time before.

    Lol... at some point in their country's past hundreds of years of people's living in that country makes them indigenous. But of course you know that... One could say William, James and Henry are a good English names.
     
  14. wgbgator

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    William? William the Conqueror was not from England lol. Henry is derived from French. James is a biblical name, and Christianity was imported to England ... and most of the Arthurian legends were not written in English (and had origins in France).
     
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  15. Gatorrick22

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    It's still a traditional name in England. But Mohammad is NOT... get the point?
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    No. Mohammad is definitely a traditional name. Its definitely more traditional that naming your kid after a Game of Thrones character which seems to be a thing people do now.
     
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  17. Gatorrick22

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    Not in England it's not. But the point is do they want more Mohammads invading their country or do they want to control their boarders and immigration. That is the point that you so quickly forgot...
     
  18. wgbgator

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    You gonna go shave your head and join the BNP fascists? You sound just like them. Might start calling you Oswald.
     
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  19. obgator

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    Is Rick an indigenous American name? Was it 100 years ago? 200 years ago? Should Rick have been stopped from becoming an indigenous name?
     
  20. wgbgator

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    We need to return to tradition and start calling guys named Richard "Dick" again
     
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