U.S. drops humanitarian aid into Gaza while ally Israel obstructs it

And we had a very plausible argument that that prevented greater loss of life. Israel has no such argument. They don't have a plan, and probably not really even an achievable mission.

A LOT more. Restraint to the point that they don't end up with 10s of thousands of deaths and a multi-million person humanitarian crisis, just so they can ensure the cycle of violence continues. Which, really, is what Hamas, Iran and Netanyahu want.

 

I generally have agreed with you in this thread, but the issue is complicated by Netenyahu and his far right government and their motivations. At this point they have every reason to continue fighting because that is the only way that government survives. Once fighting stops they will likely be washed out due to their incompetence letting 10/6 happen in the first place. So are these ongoing attacks in Gaza a continuing good faith effort at defending themselves or a combination of Israeli government political survival and Zionist zealotry that is imbedded in their car right?

 

The Russians don’t rape Ukrainian women, kill Ukrainian children in terror attacks, kidnap hostages, threaten to exterminate all Ukrainian people from existence, then use their own civilians as human shields.

You want an explanation for the difference? Urgency. Iraq and Afghanistan are halfway across the world. Gaza is at Israel’s front door.

The US military is every bit as capable as being as relentless as Israel has been. All they need is an existential threat, and the barbarians at their own front door threatening to murder their children and rape their women, having just shown both the willingness and the capability to do so two seconds ago.

 

No you're not. Unless you can't read.

See post #54

 

What?! What world do you live in? Russia does ALL of those things, perhaps absent the human shield part.

Russia launches missile attacks into residential neighborhoods. Do you read the news?

 

One could plausibly argue that aggressively defending themselves and exacting severe consequences that create less loss of Israeli life in the short and long run. Will that work, I don’t know but it is plausible.

So what level of deaths is acceptable? How much more risk are Israelis supposed to take in the effort to save Gazans? I don’t have the answers.

I do think your last sentence is partially correct - the governing bodies have vested interests in perpetuating the conflict.

 

Every war has collateral damage.

That’s different from the selective targeting of the most innocent and vulnerable groups which we have on video with Hamas, Hell, they brag about it.

The Russians are evil. And they’re definitely a greater global threat than Hamas. But Hamas is the worst humanity has to offer. It’s not close.

 

You are woefully uninformed on this particular issue.

 

That’s not explaining an alternative.

Might as well have just said “skill issue, just need to be more precise.”

What nonsense. Yeah, you’re a real military savant. If only the IDF had you in their ranks, we’d have peace in the Middle East.

 

Really?

Russians are trying to exterminate Ukrainians and using their own civilians as human shields?

 

they’re sending prisoners and concripts to the frontline. The definition of hostages.

 

You are woefully uninformed about this particular issue.

 

You want to compare sending prisoners to the front lines to hiding underneath schools?

 

Did I stutter?

 

Russians have kidnapped thousands of Ukrainian children, massacred residents of villages taken (perhaps including rapes I don’t know ) and Russian soldiers who were from prisons in some cases have raped other Russian soldiers.

 

Im sorry - what you said about Russia is false. They have raped, tortured, kidnapped, and murdered. Yet Ukraine isn’t indiscriminately firing into civilians. Yet by your logic I guess they should.

regarding Israel, the us has provided plenty of evidence that a military force can move into a middle eastern urban area and kill insurgents without creating a humanitarian disaster that starves half a million people and that doesn’t also involve the indiscriminate killing of civilians.

I’m not asking Israel not to defend themselves. I’m saying, we, their primary supporter, should tell them to tone it down a notch or we stop giving them money. Period. We should not support how they are carrying this out.

 

I have generally agreed with you on this thread and this is the response I get? I don’t think I said anything controversial in what you replied to. What exactly are you saying is uninformed?

Even supporters of Israel are saying the current Israeli government is awful and incompetent.

 

You have already shown my post is correct.

As usual you’re just arguing to argue.

 

And once again, you can dish it out but you can’t take it.

 

This is why you are impossible to talk to. I largely agree with your points, offer up a point of contention and then you revert to this type of tribal trolling.