U.S. drops humanitarian aid into Gaza while ally Israel obstructs it

Perhaps we should rephrase that to read "Hamas Policy of Creating Martyrs is an Overwhelming Success".
By the way I support a ceasefire and think it's time for Israel to end hostilities in Gaza. Ironically and tragically both Netanyahu and Hamas have no problem with the deaths of Palestinian civilians. It's in Netanyahu's political interest to extend the war as long as possible while Hamas values dead Palestinian martyrs including children as much if not more than the terrorist organization values living Palestinian civilians.

 

We absolutely can and should hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas lol. Seriously? Lol.

 

I pray that the Jewish Supremacists will stop their indiscriminate murder of Palestinian civilians.

 

When the terrorists are hiding behind civilians while firing rockets at Israel off of hospitals in Gaza, looks that way yes.

And even still, they try warning people to leave.

 

Think I’ve only seen one post by someone saying maybe if you want a ceasefire how about releasing the hostages first. Anyone not wanting that as a requirement them is being ingenious at best.

 

these are silly excuses. We have plenty of news from the area that corroborates indiscriminate bombing and killing. Further, the us military has fought in this theatre for years and did everything they could to limit civilian casualties. 20 years of war “only” 2000 kids dead per year fighting some very bad guys. At the rate Israel is going they will hit that in a year.

the “good guys” must be held to a higher standard. God just imagine the hand wringing if Ukraine had killed 12000 Russian children…

 

There is a difference between genocide and excessive collateral damage. Although the latter may still be considered a war crime under certain circumstances the difference is that the objective of genocide is the eradication of members of an ethnic, racial or religious group. Excessive collateral damage occurs when there are large numbers of civilian casualties including deaths resulting from a legitimate military operation.

Under international humanitarian law and the Rome Statute, the death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime. International humanitarian law and the Rome Statute permit belligerents to carry out proportionate attacks against military objectives,[17] even when it is known that some civilian deaths or injuries will occur. A crime occurs if there is an intentional attack directed against civilians (principle of distinction) (Article 8(2)(b)(i)) or an attack is launched on a military objective in the knowledge that the incidental civilian injuries would be clearly excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage (principle of proportionality) (Article 8(2)(b)(iv).
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While I believe that enough is enough let's still keep in mind that every one of those Palestinian civilians who lost there lives as the result of the Israeli attack on Gaza would still be alive were it not for the terrorist attack of October 7 in which between 1,200 and 1,400 Israeli civilians were killed or captured.

 

Bernie Sanders:

Sanders said Friday that the hunger and death in the region “makes my stomach turn.”

“We are talking about hundreds of thousands of children facing starvation,” he told Wagner. “We’re talking about Israeli bombs making it impossible for humanitarian aid to get to places that it is needed, that the borders are being blockaded and aid is unable to get through.”

Sanders argued Friday that the U.S. has given Israel “lots of money” for “many, many years” and needs “a new approach for Israel” that doesn’t include supplying Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu with the same weapons troops use kill Gazans scrambling for food.

“My view: not another nickel for Netanyahu’s government if he’s gonna continue this wholesale slaughter of the Palestinian people,” Sanders told Wagner.

Bernie Sanders Slams Biden's 'Totally Absurd' Israel Policy: 'You Can't Reconcile It'

 

Bernie Sanders is the conscience of American politics. His stance on Israel is of course the correct one.

 

I think Israel deserves the right to choose holier than thou condescension from the West in its ivory towers over death.

And these are the choices. Hamas has no interest in fighting under our rules. They have a vested interest in actually pumping up their own death numbers to make the West feel squeamish. That’s the game.

All it takes for Hamas to win is for Israel to quit or for the West to successfully pressure Israel to quit.

For Israel to win, they need Hamas completely neutered to the point they will no longer be threatening for the foreseeable future.

This is not a fight to end terror, or evil. History has shown that fight will never end. But it is a fight to neuter the current threat which has proven itself existential in the case of Israel.

 

4 500# bombs in the middle of a refugee camp. Not an accident. Neither were the cluster bombs, white phosphorous or the practice of destroying the homes of the families of those who perpetrated attacks in Israel. The Israeli people are not evil (for the most part - the orthodox and the settlers are) but the govt is. And has been for quite a while now.

 

What in the name of all things holy are you even talking about?

If Israel stops leveling blocks of Gaza and wantonly killing civilians in order to get to the limited number of targetable Hamas fighters, then what will Hamas have won?

Israel could still do what they should at this point; pressure Iran more in all ways possible, pressure Iran's benefactor Russia, continue killing Hamas fighters whenever possible but absent all the disregard for civilian misery and death.

LOL. And do ya think they're doing that? They'll EVER do that this way?

Netanyahu and Hamas may as well send eachother Christmas cards. They know they both stay in power as long as there is violence. And right-wing keyboard warriors to support it.

 

Zionists use food as bait to kill starving Palestinians
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/...t-to-attract-and-kill-starving-civilians.html

 

Surviving is winning to Hamas.

Surviving means it’s only a matter of time before history repeats itself and they have another October 7th or worse.

Also, how do you suggest they neuter Hamas while not killing civilians when Hamas deliberately places civilians between themselves and Israel? It’s easy to play the critic in impossible circumstances. It’s much harder providing a viable alternative in impossible circumstances.

 

Fury with Israel now showing up with moderate US politicians. Defund the genocide/mass killing!

Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna Says Israel Must Face ‘Consequences’ For ‘Standing In The Way’ Of U.S. Aid to Gaza

 

It sure is. And to be RIGHT while doing it.

What you DON'T do is slaughter 30,000+ civilians with no end-game in sight.

What will the total be before they're finished (and Hamas is NOT eradicated)? 60,000 dead civilians? And 1.5 million homeless? With another 500,000 on the verge of death by starvation?

"Herr derr - the situation was impossible. There was NOTHING we could have done differently. It's easy to be a critic!"

 

I think VaG8tr in post 48 is right. Perhaps excessive collateral damage is more descriptive. As far as I know the objective in fighting Hamas is not to kill civilians, but clearly the death of civilians doesn’t seem to be a big barrier to them trying to achieve their objectives.

The US has at times intentionally killed civilians in the course of a war - Japan for instance.

So most people think that Israel should be more “careful” in their operations. Kill less civilians in their efforts. Most likely such efforts will result in more Israeli military deaths, and in theory may put Israel in more danger if they are less aggressive at pursuing Hamas. There is also the issue of hostages - Hamas, the governing body of Gaza has still not released them.

While I would prefer a more judicious approach, I struggle with what degree of restraint Israel should use in defending themselves.

 

Still waiting for an alternative.