TX to DC Illegal Immigrant Busing - Some Bus Companies Not Completing The Trip?

Weirdly, most people don't choose where they live based upon your desires for electoral prospects. Sounds strange, I know.

 

I'd point out the absurdity of a system that requires you to move to make your vote matter, but it is just funny to watch you tie yourself in knots trying to explain how a bunch of places with tons of immigrants don't have immigrants.

 

I didn’t say it was OK, I said it’s not just the states you care about who are dealing with those problems. In fact California had more illegal immigrants than Texas and Florida combined.
What we need to do is to make it unpalatable to come here. enforcing employment law alone would be a huge start. If there’s nowhere to work there isn’t a reason to come outside of political persecution. The vast majority of people support that. Throw a few factory owners or industrial farm heads in jail for 20 years and see how fast it stops. But even under Republican administrations that just doesn’t happen beyond the token case. So we end up fighting over an unwinnable border battle over and over without addressing the real things that could make a dent. And the dirty secret that no one talks about is that’s it’s largely rural farmers, mostly Republicans who keep it from happening. The dems don’t want to do it because of their base, and the republicans don’t want to do it because when they tried it a while back all it did was leave crops lying fallow all over places like rural conservative Georgia when there was no one to work the fields. Which looked awful and made their rural base who depends on those workers angry. So they stopped trying.
So it’s a lot easier to yell about it or pull political stunts than actually solve it. So here we are.

 

As a reminder, you just got done telling me how many of those people's votes don't matter and how they need to move to make them matter. Now it is an amazing system because all their votes matter? Wow. Quite a quick turn around.

So the rural Conservative person in California's vote now does matter?

 

Wait, so both sides want open borders, yet you day the Dems "want them" and should therefore have the bulk of the burden? What kind of crazy town do you live in where this logic flies?

 

"The business of America is business." -Calvin Coolidge. Reagan liked to use the quote as well, and some attribute it to him. But Coolidge was first recorded as saying it in 1925.

People whined about rising prices with the current labor shortages that caused inflation. Imagine what would happen if the government truly cracked down on businesses that employed a lot of undocumented labor! More inflation. Not to mention lower GDP, as money crops literally die on the vine. There are a lot of undocumented immigrants working in other industries as well, including senior care, construction, and hospitality, to name a few. Nobody to do these jobs means a tighter labor market, which means less money flowing in the system and higher prices to pay for the needed labor.

That's why a better system would be a Gang of 8 style plan to allow immigrant labor to legally meet supply. We could charge for the guest worker visa and bring in billions in tax revenues to ensure the system is working as intended. And while this would end some deceptive, under-the-table labor practices as immigrant labor would be legal, price wouldn't go up as much as compared to blowing up the system.

 

Do they though? If that boat captain in Louisiana decides to switch his vote, does that matter? What if a coal miner in West Virginia does? You stumbled into a pretty big admission with your initial post on this tangent: the only people who matter are those in swing states. Most rural people don't matter either. And I don't think that a person working an almond farm in California really thinks their interests have a voice because some rural person in Michigan actually does. What an absurdist incentive structure.

 

You should prolly read up on the Libertarian stance on borders then. You keep telling Democrats "your team" wants open borders. When in reality, it's actually "your team."

Immigration | Libertarian Party

 

Haha, when is the last time that a candidate held a general election public event in Rhode Island or outside of the 2nd District in Nebraska? And no, they don't hold general election events outside of private fundraisers in California, New York, or Illinois.

Washington and Oregon? Oh yes, those huge population centers of the country!

Let me ask you this, take a city like Salt Lake City. Metro area population of 1.3 million. You think a Presidential campaign now would waste their time trying to get those 1.3 million people to vote for them with 1 event or will they just go hold event number 34 in Pennsylvania? In a popular vote system, power goes to where the persuadable people are, not where they are evenly divided.

Right now, neither side has any incentive to listen to your hypothetical boat captain in Louisiana. The only time I ever see general election ads, as a resident of Louisiana, is when Florida plays in football during election falls. Outside of that, you could easily not even know who is running looking at campaign activity here.

 

No offense but you don't get to start a thread talking about adding government officials to patrol buses dropping off immigrants and claim you're a small govt Libertarian that wants govt only when absolutely necessary. That's absurd.

I'm actually a registered member of the Libertarian party of Florida. Although, like you, I stray from the party when it comes to immigration. But that doesn't mean I want government employees on buses doing big gov things.