Trump's Troubles

Unfortunately for you and the facts, the 14th amendment says no such thing.

However, I am fairly sure this activist SCOTUS will move the goalposts for Trump though his appointed justices should recuse for all matters involving him.

 

The criminal justice system is innocent until proven guilty. That is the standard to deprive someone of their liberty. Part of the fundamental rights laid out in the bill of rights. There is no fundamental right to be POTUS or to hold office. There needs to be due process as in civil proceedings, but it need not rise to the criminal standard of innocent until proven guilty. In a criminal case you can say nothing in your defense and retain the presumption of innocence. In a civil case, you can actually be presumed guilty if you fail to put forth a defense.

The 14th Amendment obviously 100% didn’t require that standard, as it was aimed squarely at disqualifying confederate leadership from holding future office in the U.S. government. How many confederate leaders do you think were actually convicted of treason? I’ll help you out. The answer is zero.

Crazily enough, there were high brow legal debates back then as to whether such men as Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis technically even could be legally tried for treason (in addition to the “should they” question), which was why ultimately even the confederate leadership were given clemency along with the rank and file. The 14th Amendment however was squarely directed at them. I can’t recollect if any confederate leaders were ever allowed to hold office again, but apparently (quick google search) decent numbers of soldiers were eventually allowed back in the U.S. military and some eventually did hold office later in life (presumably not in the immediate aftermath while reconstruction was going on). It may be one of those things written into the constitution (and it seems clear textually that no confederate soldier should have ever been allowed to hold federal office), but perhaps this was never actually tested via legal challenge?

 

trump posted this word cloud of what voters think of his 2nd term. Not very complimentary but he seems proud of it.

 

Oliver Willis is straight on

But there isn’t a fever. The people who vote for Trump aren’t being duped about what he fundamentally stands for. Trump is not a subtle man, and he isn’t smart enough to hide his intentions. When he speaks and spews his torrents of verbal diarrhea, he is who he says is.

Republican voters love it. They embrace his rhetoric wholeheartedly and in fact they appreciate his willingness to just say out loud the bigoted ranting that they know would lead to awkward stares and cold shoulders in their day-to-day lives.




Stop Fooling Yourselves, Trump Voters Are Very Bad People

 

He's literally telling us he wants to be a dictator and seemingly educated people on this board are still going to vote for him. Not sure what else anyone can do at this point, I guess this is the pitfall of a democratic republic.

 

Coup plotting on tape

 

Tapes and emails directly tie Trump's team to the illegal "fake elector" plot ... If Trump doesn't die in prison, it will be a miscarriage of justice.

 

"His" being Chesebro's, not Trump's. But still a much clearer picture of how they tried to overturn the election.

Recordings, emails show how Trump team flew fake elector ballots to DC in final push to overturn 2020 election | CNN Politics

Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail.

So, Trump campaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates from Michigan and Wisconsin to the nation’s capital, relying on a haphazard chain of couriers, as well as help from two Republicans in Congress, to try to get the documents to then-Vice President Mike Pence while he presided over the Electoral College certification.

The operatives even considered chartering a jet to ensure the files reached Washington, DC, in time for the January 6, 2021, proceeding, according to emails and recordings obtained by CNN.

The new details provide a behind-the-scenes glimpse of the chaotic last-minute effort to keep Donald Trump in office. The fake electors scheme features prominently in special counsel Jack Smith’s criminal indictment against the former president, and some of the officials who were involved have spoken to Smith’s investigators.

 

The attempt to overthrow the election was a coordinated insurrection plan of which Trump was a part.

Right wing media would have you believe it was an impromptu riot of Trumpers and not an insurrection. Or it was Antifa. Depends on the day you ask.

 

Not sure why they dont just enjoy the musings of Kevin Sorbo and Randy Quaid?

Green Day Changes 'American Idiot' Lyrics to Slam 'MAGA Agenda'

Green Day took the stage during ABC’s broadcast of Dick Clark’s New Year’s Rockin’ EveWith Ryan Seacrest and used the opportunity to call out Trump supporters by changing the lyrics to their 2004 hit “American Idiot.”

Frontman Billie Joe Armstrong drew cheers from the live audience when he sang out, “I’m not part of the MAGA agenda” during his performance. The original line is, “I’m not a part of a redneck agenda.”

“American Idiot,” which the punk trio wrote in response to 9/11 and the policies of George W. Bush’s administration, is among the band’s most political songs, and although the band has tweaked the lyrics to take a swipe at the right-wing before, Trump supporters still had a meltdown over Sunday’s performance.

Many of them took to Twitter to bash the band and accuse them of being part of the “propaganda machine.” “Sad, they are irrelevant and get a chance to play and use it poorly. Green Day has been bad for years,” one person wrote.

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MAGA ain't the sharpest. They keep getting upset at these groups that clearly aren't political allies. They thought Rage against the Machine was raging against who? They were shocked Dee Snider wasn't down for them to use "We aren't gonna take it." How many times does Neil Young have to tell them to cease and desist?

 

Wasn't sure where to put this, but the references above to Kevin Sorbo and Randy Quaid made me think of John Schneider (who played Bo Duke) being in the news recently. I loved the Dukes of Hazzard and met him when I was a kid as part of the Children's Miracle Network (I was not a patient but had a family member who volunteered to help raise money and do ads, etc). I think he's made some negative news more recently and while I don't think he committed a crime here, he really seems to be sliding into darker territory.

‘Dukes of Hazzard’ Star John Schneider Could Face Secret Service Probe for Threat Against President Biden

John Schneider has never been quiet about his struggles as a vocal conservative in contemporary society. According to the actor, who rose to stardom for his role as a Confederacy-worshipping bootlegger in the ‘80s-era TV series The Dukes of Hazzard, he’s experienced bias in court and has struggled to find work, all due to his far-right views. Now Schneider is under a new level of scrutiny after publishing a tweet—since deleted—that many view as a threat against President Joe Biden.

Schneider was revealed to be the man behind the doughnut mask on the Fox singing competition The Masked Singer Wednesday, where he placed second behind singer NE-YO. “I’m a pretty strong guy, but I’m also a very emotional guy,” the actor told People the next day. “Being out there on that stage dressed like a doughnut, singing some of the greatest songs ever written, and having people respond to the songs and the performance with no notion that it was me, really, really helped John Schneider.”

What likely didn’t help John Schneider was a tweet he posted that same day. As first noted by Deadline, Schneider responded to a tweet from Biden about presidential rival Donald Trump by saying (sic throughout) “Mr. President, I believe you are guilty of treason and should be public hung. Your son too. Your response is..? Sincerely, John Schneider.”

That tweet was deleted shortly after, with Schneider denying it contained any threats. “Seriously, folks?” Schneider asked Deadline. “I absolutely did not call for an act of violence or threaten a US president as many other celebrities have done in the past. I suggest you re-read my actual post and pay attention to the words before believing this nonsense.” Vanity Fair has reached out to Schneider for comment but has not received a response as of publication time.

 

On a 1-10 bizarre scale, Trump's video is a 1,010.



I thought this was Lincoln Project satire, but it's from Orange God himself.

 

How could they make a death threat stick ?

 

I have a neighbor who posted this morning that in a year our national nightmare will be over and trump will be back in office. She and her husband are nice sweet generous but really stupid people.

 

Would love the secret service vs. the General Lee car chase.

 

Trump did not sign Illinois’ loyalty oath that says he won’t advocate for overthrowing the government

Under Illinois law, presidential candidates wanting to be on the state’s March 19th primary ballot had to turn in their nominating petitions to the State Board of Elections on Thursday or Friday, and the loyalty oath is a time-honored part of that process.

A WBEZ/Chicago Sun-Times analysis of those petitions found Biden and Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis both signed the oath — as did several lower-tier Trump acolytes in Illinois, but not Trump.

Trump’s omission has stumped some of his critics.

“Why wouldn’t he sign it?” asked former Republican U.S. Rep. Adam Kinzinger, who served on the House Jan. 6th select committee and said he signed the state loyalty oath in each of his six terms as congressman.