Trump's plan for mass deportations

Sure. But one who gained her citizenship on false pretenses (that she hadn't been an illegal immigrants). You wouldn't want to be rewarding illegals with citizenship, would you?

 

There is no way they even know this number- it would just be a SWAG. But I get it you are for allowing people who came here illegally to stay here. I am hoping we do not do that. I am willing to bet that as soon as many see the deportations happening they will leave on their own. They have ZERO RIGHT to be in this Country.

 

The numbers aren't just pulled from thin air. There are studies and methodology. Average costs, additional estimated costs because we'd need to build more holding facilities, and percentages to help calculate everything. There's also past experience, such as when Alabama passed their draconian law over a decade ago, costing the state $11 billion in GDP losses. And the experiences of the last time the US tried mass deportations, Operation Wetback.

We don't know exact numbers, but the $300 billion in costs and $1 trillion in GDP losses are likely conservative estimates. But even if they are double actual costs, what's the justification for spending $150 billion when it also costs $500 billion in business losses, while splitting up families?

 

Hopefully everyone here illegally just voluntarily leaves, right?

Do you have any ideas on who will do the 8-9 million jobs that will then be unfilled?

 

My Final Post on Too Hot and my personal Holiday and Political thoughts

My Final Post on Too Hot and my personal Holiday and Political thoughts

 

The most credible estimate I believe I've seen is 12-14 million, with 9 million employed.

You don't have a solid idea of this? Or a different estimate you find more credible?

That's surprising, considering that your choice for POTUS made this his signature issue, and repeatedly told us how serious the problem was. (Pets being eaten notwithstanding.)

 

So as long as people who came and stayed in the US illegally end up becoming US citizens it's ok?

 

Here's an interesting article on some Trump supporters whose businesses would suffer greatly if undocumented workers are deported. Seems pretty obvious that he won't follow through on this.....

Also, why didn't Trump approach this before? Seems like it would have been pretty easy to send some agents to big farms, check the employees, and assess big fines per worker every time they found an illegal.

It's almost like Trump was (is) just bullshitting gullible people on his fake anti-immigrant rhetoric. Like he's just hate-mongering for votes. If not....why didn't he ever try to do anything about this?




These MAGA farmers could be ruined if Trump follows through with mass deportations

SACRAMENTO, California — California farmers could soon enjoy bumper crops thanks to President-elect Donald Trump’s pledge to lift water restrictions. But who will pick them if he follows through on his deportation threats?

The country’s largest agricultural constituency backed Trump in November, bucking California’s deep-blue electorate over his campaign promises to “open the faucet” and deliver more water to the state’s parched, conservative-leaning Central Valley. But now it’s reckoning with an uncomfortable contradiction: Trump also campaigned on mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, who make up at least half of the state’s agricultural workforce.

“To say it would have an impact on California would be an understatement,” said Chris Reardon, vice president of policy advocacy at the industry group California Farm Bureau Federation.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/26/california-farmers-trump-water-workers-00195839

 

If you're a dem than you are sure she worked here illegally. She did get work visas and then went thru the Naturalization Process, but if it floats your boat to say otherwise, go ahead. Changes nothing about my belief that those here illegally now, have to go.

The complicated immigration history of Melania Trump: Tourist visas, then work visas

 

Although she apparently didn't work in the US illegally, the questions regarding her immigration and work status still haven't been answered conclusively:

Immigration experts have pointed out that flying back and forth every few months suggests a tourist visa, not the longer work visa. Immigration lawyer David Leopold said there’s one easy way to settle the issues for good —release her file to show whether she had visitor visas or work visas and when. Leopold, a past president of the American Immigration Lawyers Assn., served on the Democratic Party’s platform committee and worked on the immigration plank. “There are plausible explanations for everything we know about her immigration history,” said Leopold. “Which begs the question: Why won’t the Trump campaign simply show the American people the relevant immigration paperwork?”
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A reasonable inference from the Trump campaign's refusal to release all of the relevant documents is that they're trying to conceal relevant facts.

 

I'm willing to wager that when Trump begins his mass deportations while middle and working class Venezuelans who entered the US illegally at the Southern border or even those currently with temporary protected status will be deported wealthy Venezuelans who overstayed tourist visas and have illegally remained in the US will not be among those deported even though their presence is the US is just as unlawful.

 

Not talking specifically about her. Let's say someone illegally came to the US 20 years ago as a child and has now married a US citizen and has a green card. Do they have to go?

 

I still think it's funny that some of you still think Trump is going to deport anyone. Well, to numbers of any consequence, anyways. Might do a few people for show. The guy is a liar, a carnival barker and a con man - shame on anyone who hasn't figured this out by now.

What he's really aiming to do is just set up someone to oppose him, so he can tar his enemies as "pro-illegal immigration", or blame someone for his failure.

We know this already. We've seen him in office before. He had four years to do these things, and he didn't. He either totally failed, or most likely just didn't really care. I mean......if we are to believe he'll really be successful at this this time, what should we also believe - that he's going to release a health care plan?

 

Yes I know. But given, in this example, that they came here illegally but now have a green card, was curious to see if Bill felt they should still be deported.

 

Trump is a liar? And what about Biden?

 

Although both of a history of lying Biden doesn't come remotely close to Trump in both quantity and the seriousness of their lies. Biden has had a tendency to embellish his background. Trump's lies have serious political consequences among them are the story about Haitians consuming pets, the crime rate and specifically the crime rate among undocumented immigrants.

 

Not even close. Obviously.

 

What about Musk?