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At least three states, GA, MI, and AZ. Tens of thousands of votes in all three cases. And somehow, in all three states, there was successful voter fraud that got past initial counts, recounts, and multiple audits? And leaving behind zero evidence? What are the odds? It wouldn't be just the crime of the century. But maybe the crime of all humanity!

As for Hawaii, huge difference. The Hawaiian election was still in contention when the Electoral College first met. The count at the time was less than 160 difference between the two candidates. Not knowing the final result, Hawaii knowingly set two sets of electors. The first set was seated when the EC first met, but final count in Hawaii changed the outcome. And in the end, the second set of electors were seated after Hawaii certified the results, and their votes counted.

In 2020, the elections in GA, MI, and AZ were already counted and results certified. Any second set of electors were illegal. There was no doubt in the final outcome of the vote, unlike Hawaii in 1960.

Swing and a miss. Once votes are certified according to state law, the election is over. That happened in 2020 in all states. Didn't happen in Hawaii 1960 until right before the EC met.

 

Yes but maybe in the pursuit of perfect elections we can institute election reforms to make sure only the right kind of voters get to vote

 

Interestingly even though he probably would have had a stronger case than Trump Nixon accepted the results of the election and conceded. Despite the stunts he pulled with Watergate 12 year later, Nixon was willing to accept the results of the election and accede to the peaceful transition of power from a Republican administration to a Democratic administration.

This is from Nixon's concession speech:

And then too...and then too...I...[cheers and applause]. The other thing that I wish to do is this. I am sure that many are listening here who are supporting Mr. Senator Kennedy. I know that he too is probably listening to this program. [laughing and booing]

And...please...

And as I look at the board here, while there are still some results still to come in, if the present trend continues, Mr. Kennedy, Senator Kennedy will be the next President of the United States.​

Remarks Conceding the Presidential Election in Los Angeles, California | The American Presidency Project

 

You ask a sincere question, and you will get a sincere answer. First, Trump has a ginormous over inflated ego. This is not a crime. Second, he was running against a man who literally spent the entire campaign in his basement hiding. That was weird, but not a crime. On election night, Trump was winning in many of the states, including Georgia. But suddenly votes are appearing which favor Biden by an 8 to 1 ratio. Suspicious but not a crime….yet. Precincts, counties and states are engaging in practices which aren’t permitted by state election laws. (Several determined illegal by State Supreme Court).

so there were just too many anomalies to let it go. The election had the stench of impropriety, and his ego wasn’t about to let it go. When was the last POTUS election where the outcome wasn’t marred in controversy? Reagan/ Mondale?

 

This, I believe, is false. Hawaii sent 1 officially. The Dems sent the fake ones.

This is the question which will be litigated, and I believe your position will come in 2nd place.

hypothetical. Let’s go back to 2020. The Georgia Secretary of State is a Republican. Let’s not change the facts on anything prior to the state certification. Now, let’s imagine that the Republican secretary of state certified Donald Trump as the winner of Georgia on election night. Does Congress or Pence have to accept those results? Under your position the answer is yes. Are you sure that is the position you want to be in?

 

You just don't get it, do you?

He wasn't suggesting that a small amount of fraud is OK.

He was pointing out that, after all the court cases, recounts and audits, Trump and his fellow LIARS were unable to prove any level of fraud that would have impacted the result of the 2020 election. NONE. NADA. ZILCH. This was confirmed by REPUBLICANS in Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan and elsewhere and his own AG and election security appointees in the Trump White House.

Get a clue.

 

That's not what this about.History on this board has been folks on the right being unable to either see, admit, or even recognize that data and numbers often contradict their beliefs. I was trying to help you avoid this mistake given how the debt numbers don't support rw criticisms about democrats (see rt's or my graphs). Same with jobs & GDP.

 

The "stench of impropriety" was only in the minds of brainwashed Trumpers who believe anything their life-long conman tells them. No one else believed the BS being spread by Trump and his fellow LIARS.

 

"On election night, Trump was winning in many of the states, including Georgia. But suddenly votes are appearing which favor Biden . . . . "

It's a well known FACT that election day votes generally trend Republican and mail-in ballots generally trend Democratic, because Trump railed against mail-in ballots for years. These trends were even stronger in 2020, because the voting occurred during the pandemic and Democrats were generally more cautious about Covid than Republicans.

The vote counts early that evening were predictably favoring Trump due to election day votes. Then, when the mail-in votes were counted and started coming in later, the vote tallies shifted toward Biden.

You know damn well this is true, but choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your election fraud BS

 

Every state has its own election laws. And counts are public, such is why we know the numbers. If a Secretary of State from one party isn't happy the candidate for POTUS from the other party won, and unilaterally changed the outcome, that would be election fraud. It's why states have several layers to ensure not only are counts accurate, but no one person has the ability to illegally alter the results.

As for Hawaii, the original count had Nixon winning by 140. When the EC first met in December, this was the count. However, Hawaii was in the middle of an official recount that ultimately changed the results to show Kennedy won. Nixon was VP at the time, and when the official EC votes were cast, he sat and accepted the Kennedy EC voters.

Now in states like PA, they had alternate electors too. But unlike the alternates in GA, MI, and AZ, the PA alternates has a caveat. They were never to be official unless Trump won court challenges in the state, fraud was proven, and a recount showed Trump to be the winner. This is likely not illegal, because the PA alternates never considered themselves the real set.

And elections that have large mail-in counts and accept mail-in ballots on election day are no stranger to taking several days until final counts are in. Happened often in Arizona, even before 2020. In 2020, with COVID, more states had a lot more mail-ins than ever before. And in most of these states, the mail-ins favored Biden. Except Arizona, with a long history of mail-in ballots, where the late counts favored Trump. But Biden's election day lead was too large to overcome.

 

Yup...the 2020 *Red Mirage* was predicted before the election.

"[The red mirage] is in fact because we believe that on election night we are going to see Donald Trump in a stronger position than the reality actually is. We are sounding the alarm and saying that this is a very real possibility that the data is going to show on election night an incredible victory for Donald Trump. That is what we'll likely see. When every legitimate vote is tallied and we get to that final day, which will be some day after the election, it will in fact show that what happened on election night is exactly that, a mirage."

 

There is a quote from catch 22 that seems appropriate here but I can’t pull it from the recesses of my brain.

 

you bring the special back to education. I really have no retort to your gibberish other than bless your heart.

 

it’s ok. Put the keyboard down and step away….

 

so you disagree with your post? Now you see the problem. Good job and you’re welcome.

 

Ah . . . . here come the personal insults. The last resort for people losing an argument.

 

As I said . . . . the last resort for people losing an argument.