::: Trump v. Harris Debate Thread, Tue. at 9pm on ABC

Yeah, I mean other than being evasive, obtrusive, offensive, yelling like a child, being tone deaf about race, ranting about "illegals eating dogs and cats, lying constantly, ntm his constant self-aggrandizement, his performance was pretty much spot on.

 

Kinda like I said to my wife last night: "It's not really about how great your answer is in these things or what kind of plan you lay out it's more about not saying something completely effing stupid." And one of the two repeatedly had some completely effing stupid things to say.

 

The Democrats used COVID as an excuse to set up the steal imo. If Dems thought they won they should have supported audits with.signsture verifications in every swing state

What were those.pauses for in the vote counts?

 

This is how you respond to a person who apologized to you? And you rail on the kind of person they are?

 

Imagine being stupid enough to rant and rave about immigrants eating dogs and cats. And then supporting the claim by saying "It was on TV!" Anecdotal truth or not, going there was a colossally dumb move and he did it on the world stage for everyone to see. World leaders everywhere are LoLing and Trump is a disgraceful embarrassment.

 

Woody Gutherie reincarnated. Love Jesse. Several of his songs are on my Singer-Songwriter playlist.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/11/kamala-harris-debate-performance-polls/

The CNN poll showed Harris winning the debate 63 percent to 37 percent among debate-watchers, while the YouGov poll showed her winning 54-31 among registered voters who watched at least some of the debate, with 14 percent unsure. (Trump has cited his own improbably wide margins in some unscientific online polls — posting a series of them on Truth Social — but those polls don’t reflect the actual electorate.)


Notably, those margins are close to the ones Trump racked up after President Joe Biden’s disastrous debate performance on June 27, a performance that ultimately led him to drop out of the 2024 race. Back then, the CNN poll showed Trump winning the debate 67-33, while the YouGov poll showed Trump winning 43-22.


Harris’s performance also ranks up there with the more decisive wins in recent history, according to CNN’s numbers, though it’s worth noting that a strong debate doesn’t always necessarily translate into a White House victory. The biggest margins:

• Biden’s 60-28 win in his first 2020 debate against Trump, when Trump was widely panned for constantly interrupting and strained to avoid repudiating white supremacists.
• Hillary Clinton’s 62-27 win over Trump in the first debate of 2016.
• Mitt Romney’s 67-25 win over then-President Barack Obama in the first debate of 2012.
• Then-President Bill Clinton’s 59-29 win over Bob Dole in mid-October 1996.

 

Maybe if it actually sounded genuine. Do you think all apologies should start off with some type of insult? I'm not sure about you but I don't typically try to dig the knife in one more time before I "apologize". "I'll try to be better" has the tone of an apology that isn't sincere.

 

Karl Rove says Trump was a disaster

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/a-catas...p-2024-presidential-election-d2e5aa7f?mod=mhp


Tuesday’s debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump was a train wreck for him, far worse than anything Team Trump could have imagined.

Ms. Harris was often on offense, leaving Mr. Trump visibly rattled as she launched rocket after rocket at him. A New York Times analysis found she spent 46% of her time on the attack while Mr. Trump devoted 29% of his time to going after her. Debates aren’t won on defense.

Ms. Harris pressed Mr. Trump on the economy, the Ukraine war, foreign policy, healthcare, the Jan. 6 attack and especially abortion, leaving him flustered and often incoherent. In return, he criticized her on border security, climate change and the Israel-Hamas war.

Mr. Trump had to know the vice president would try to get him to lose his cool. She did. She went after him on his multiple indictments. She called him “weak” and belittled him as a six-time bankrupt, spoiled inheritor of wealth. She said his former national security adviser thought him, in her words, “dangerous and unfit” for the Oval Office.

 

Top pollster Rich Baris from Gaunesville, Nov 5, 2020

 

If a pregnancy is induced past 26 weeks, it is technically an abortion. There are many reasons to induce including non viability and to safe the mother. So this is what the radical righties are telling you, half the story.

 

My understanding that later term abortions are almost always for the issues you describe. I don’t think 26+ weeks abortions for nothing but convenience is really a thing.

Abortions Later in Pregnancy in a Post-Dobbs Era | KFF

• Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S. The procedures are expensive and often require travel and lost wages. They normally require treatment over multiple days and are only performed by a subset of all abortion providers.
• Claims of abortions occurring “moments before birth” or even “after birth” are false. These scenarios do not occur, nor are they legal in the United States.
• Reasons individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy include medical concerns such as fetal anomalies or maternal life endangerment, as well as barriers to care that cause delays in obtaining an abortion.

 

It isn’t really clear what Trump supports. It really doesn’t matter because Republicans make these laws at the state level.

 

Also, they're almost always an extremely sad situation for the parents who may have already gotten the child's room ready and then multiple doctors have to agree this is a viable path.

 

In honor of limeygator, a debate focus group conducted by Reuters to get away from the US lamestream media:

Some undecided voters not convinced by Harris after debate with Trump | Reuters

The NY Times Siena College Poll released on Sunday had an answered question with over 25% percent of registered voters wanting to know more about policy specifics from Harris. She did not provide the desired specifics in the debate. She did not provide the Policy specifics by cutting and pasting Joe Biden's campaign policies to the Harris campaign web page, likely made matters worse for her.

Sept 11 (Reuters) - Kamala Harris was widely seen as dominating Tuesday's presidential debate against Republican former president Donald Trump, but a group of undecided voters remained unconvinced that the Democratic vice president was the better candidate.

Reuters interviewed 10 people who were still unsure how they were going to vote in the Nov. 5 election before they watched the debate. Six said afterward they would now either vote for Trump or were leaning toward backing him. Three said they would now back Harris and one was still unsure how he would vote.

Five said they found Harris vague during the more than 90-minute debate on how she would improve the U.S. economy and deal with the high cost of living, a top concern for voters.

The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person. They said their personal financial situation had been better when he was president between 2017-2021. Some singled out his proposal to tax foreign imports, although economists say that is likely to raise prices. Four of those six also said Harris did not convince them she would pursue different economic policies than Democratic President Joe Biden, a Democrat they largely blame for the high cost of living.