Trump Strikes Again: Exec. Order to Reallocate California Water Supplies

Pretty sure my county commissioner havent been forced to do any of that.

 

I think the problem is efforts and cries for a fire combating system have gone unanswered. Everyone knows a muni system isnt good enough.

But old building codes here at the coast weren't enough to withstand hurricanes either, so they improved them...years ago.

 

That's not really what Trump continues to lie about (or remotely offer any solution for), though is it?

 

I mean I'm not sure. You clearly know more about this than anyone and you clearly have all the time In the world to follow this to every detail.

I just know Cali is burning. Water levels are a huge problem
Cali knew it and failed to fix it.

Semantics and your desire to paint any non leftists as evil wont change it.

California's water problem wasnt caused by Trump or any righty. It is a Democratic state with liberal policies that have greatly contributed to the problem.

It amazes me that some here went off on DeSantis when the roof blew off of The Trop, but will defend Newsome while his state is burning to the ground.

The Trump hate is a deflection.
Is he wrong? Heck, He usually is ..but that is just ignoring the greater issue which is the problem in California is caused by leaders from your party.

You like to say I contribute to a rapist because I voted for some county commissioner who is a republican, but yet you vote for a party that supports policies that literally allow peoples homes to burn and people to die in the process.

That little tiny corner of the world that you live in, isn't reality. Take off your blue glasses and see some sunshine. (Unless you live in California. You cant see the sun much these days.)

 

That's all well and good, but no building code is going to resist a storm surge (or coastal erosion), just as no construction in the world is going to resist an inferno (see the world trade center). The problem is location, mitigation is just that - mitigation.

 

I get that. But storm code improvements have helped the overall good a great deal and more water pressure would absolutely have slowed the inferno.

Houses literally burned while firefighters watched.with no water.

They knew the system was bad and failed to act.

Lets hope this is the wake up call that Hurricane Andrew was.

 

'The system' is that agriculture gets lots of water moved around so people can make money and sell produce. That has been the case since California was a state. No one is going to kill the agricultural business to horde water for emergencies for people living in dangerous areas (who are already subject to all sorts or regulations to prevent/mitigate things). Is that even reasonable? The idea that there are "liberal" water policies is kind of silly. Business and revenue generation gets prioritized, that's the American system.

 

State politics plays a huge role. And the Central CA rural areas are deep red.

Local politics also plays a role. Malibu and the Palisades are home to multi-million dollar homes. Any taxpayer dollar spent to help residents of these areas comes with cries of racism and unfairness from those living in S. Central LA. And it's a fair question to ask where would taxpayer money do more good? Protect Malibu houses from a fire when one hasn't broken out in 100 years? Or more police in low income areas?

 

would any amount of water been able to stop that fire in those winds at that location?

let's start with that simple question

its like asking if any amount of prep on FMB would have stopped Ian from devastating it

total rebuild going on now will decrease impact next time, will never stop it

 

Nah. That was a sweet Trumpy Gish Gallup....but that's not what this is about.

Neither Trump, nor anyone on the right want to address (or help with) the fire/water situation in California. But if they did, the time and method to do so is not to have a divisive hate-mongering scumbag pseudo-President come to visit immediately after a disaster, and seek to score points by criticizing people of the opposing political party.

That's all. Pretty much sums it up entirely.

Your attempt to change the subject to....well, everything under the California sun..... is just providing cover for an un-American criminal hate-monger. As is voting for the party criminal organization that enables his criminality.

 

why wasn't there water in the pipes?
1. pipes/systems not sized to deliver that massive volume of water instantaneously throughout the system. No system anywhere is. I teach and supervise people who design them.

what size pipe network would be required to deliver sufficient water to open 50 fire hydrants in that area?
bigger than anyone would want to pay for anywhere. replace 6, 8, 10. 12" pipes with 18, 24,30,36" pipes. quintuple the hp at the pump head. all to sit and wait for that potential fire every 50 years

what volume of water would that system hold and what rate of average daily consumption would be required to keep chloramine levels safe in that volume of water?
more than the average consumption so then you have to continually flush the system to keep thew chlorine levels high enought o insure that it is safe to drink.

if only everything were so simple. sadly, we really don't live in a tiktok world

 

cali has new fire resistant building codes just like florida had new wind codes after andrew

that didn't help the old buildings in Cali anymore than the new wind codes helped the old buildings on FMB

rebuilt, just like FMB, will be better but are you really trying to criticize why all the homes weren't torn down and rebuilt better before???

 

That hurts my feelings. I see you are ramping up some new words this year. Last year, you fell in love with the words "Russia and Russian." Rarely a sentence was typed without the word. This year, it is looking like the new hot word is "liar." Of course, that word comes as a verb, and that has been popular, too. Sometimes, it's extra large, in all caps and bold. Those have to count extra (lets give them 10 points). How many times do you think you have used the different forms of "liar" in this thread?

 

Why are you telling anyone this?

 

The California tofu-eating wokerati never disappoint when it comes to financial insanity. People donated to assist the victims of the fire and this profoundly inept mayor, and her seemingly money-grabbing developer pal wanted to take $500K for his work over 3 weeks?????

Los Angeles wildfire ‘recovery czar’ will work for free after backlash to proposed $500,000 salary for 3 months – The Mercury News

Soboroff had defended the proposed salary of half-a-million dollars for 3 months of work, saying his expertise as a residential property developer made him worth the price. But after criticisms mounted from elected officials and residents, Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass reversed course over the weekend and said Soboroff would receive no compensation.

Steve Soboroff, a longtime fixture in Los Angeles civic life who is now serving as chief recovery officer for the city’s wildfire comeback, won’t take a salary after facing backlash over plans to pay him $500,000. He would have been paid through charitable donations, not with taxpayer money.

Steve is always there for LA. I spoke to him today and asked him to modify his agreement and work for free. He said yes. We agree that we don’t need anything distracting from the recovery work we’re doing,” Bass said in a statement Saturday. She had named him to the recovery czar position on Jan. 17.

Los Angeles Mayor Says Fire Recovery Chief Will Work for Free After Backlash Over Salary | California Insider

Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass announced on Feb. 8 that her appointed chief recovery officer will work for free to help rebuild the community affected by the deadly Palisades Fire, after public outcry from elected officials and residents over plans to pay him $500,000.

Bass has announced a flurry of appointments and contracts as the city recovers from the fire, including the appointment of former Pacific Palisades community leader Steve Soboroff as the recovery czar on Jan. 17. Soboroff, 76, raised his family in the Pacific Palisades area, where 7,000 homes were destroyed in the Palisades Fire that started Jan. 7.

“Steve is always there for L.A.,” Bass said in a statement on Feb. 8. “I spoke to him today and asked him to modify his agreement and work for free. He said, ‘Yes.’ We agree that we don’t need anything distracting from the recovery work we’re doing.”

Before the reversal, Soboroff had said his expertise as a residential property developer made him worth the cost.

 

You Knew This Was Coming for LA's Fire Department Chief

It’s not exactly a shocker: Los Angeles Fire Department Chief Kristin Crowley has been shown the exit. It’s not entirely her fault, but in the immediate—the fire chief who presided over what could be the costliest natural disaster in American history cannot remain in his or her position. The cost of the LA County fires, which raged for weeks, could soar past $250 billion (via KTLA):

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Bass’s office made the announcement Friday morning, saying she had been removed from the post effective immediately. Retired Deputy Chief Ronnie Villanueva will serve as interim chief.

In a statement released to media Friday, Bass said the decision to remove Crowley from the position was made in the “best interests of Los Angeles’ public safety, and for the operations of the Los Angeles Fire Department.”

“We know that 1,000 firefighters that could have been on duty on the morning the fires broke out were instead sent home on Chief Crowley’s watch,” Bass said in her statement. “Furthermore, a necessary step to an investigation was the President of the Fire Commission telling Chief Crowley to do an after action report on the fires. The Chief refused.”

 

It’s a desert. Why people struggle to understand this is mysterious. Trump, sure. But he’s an idiot. And I assume most Th posters are not.



Add in Ag taking 80% and industry another 10%, where is all this water supposed to come from?

Ironically Trump’s ludicrous non-idea of a magical faucet somewhere in the north sums up the situation.

The west has drained the Colorado River and it ain’t bouncing back. Alfalfa grown in Arizona’s portion of the desert to export to Saudi Arabia to feed cows to export back to the alfalfa region requires a lot of water!