Trump Signs Order to Restore Racist Monuments, Ban Diversity

You have never answered as to why you want to remind black people of slavery with Confederate statues. You seem very upset that we have a holiday honoring the end of it, but you want the people who didn't want it to end to be honored.

 

That's obviously the ridiculous part of his argument. He doesn't want Juneteenth celebrated because it would remind people about slavery once a year. But put Confederate monuments back in town squares so that people are reminded every day.

Meanwhile, I was fairly ambivalent about removing the monuments. In part because I look at them as simply historical art, but also because I tend to live and let live. But it is important to remember when and why most of the monuments were erected.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5442...e-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future

 

Confederate statues don't represent slavery to me. They were just people who fought for the South. I've lived in NE FL for many decades and I've never heard anyone say anything good about slavery.....and I know some rednecks! Nobody even mentions slavery......except for the democrats.

 

Ahh, so you are glossing over why "the South" fought the war. It was slavery, according to them. Interesting that a statue to a cause doesn't represent the main goal of the cause to you. Kind of seems like willful blindness.

 

Yeah, the point of the Confederate statues was to maintain the racial social hierarchy established by law under Jim Crow. Many of the supporters of these statues are the folks who want to maintain de facto rather than de jure versions of the same hierarchy today. But the key to the defense of the de facto version of the racial social hierarchy that they prefer is to deny that it exists so that it can continue to exist without them having to defend it directly. Because it isn't socially acceptable to defend it directly.

 

I suppose if General Lee exterminated 6 million jews I mean slaves, then I would have agreed with you. Likewise with Sadam practicing genocide with the Kurds.

Slavery, while abhorrent and wrong, was an accepted practice in many parts of the world during that time with the US being not the last, but one of the last, to ban it and it took a civil war to do it.

I'm sure you feel that being an enslaved person in the mid 1800's is the same as incinerating hundreds of Jews a a time and keeping them in concentration camps with no food.

 

You obviously know very little about our country’s history.
Stop being a part of the problem.

 

Direct quote from the Confederate VP:

"Immediate cause" of the conflict. The Confederacy's "corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition." The very basis of the Confederacy.

Sorry that hits you in the feelings.

 

I know quite a bit more about it than you do because your knowledge is motivated by what you want to believe about it, not what actually happened.

 

Your blindness is caused by a severe case of the “know it all” disease.
All you do is watch/listen to libbie zombies.
As I said, you’re a big part of the problem. Stop making race issues worse.

 

And yet, I am providing direct quotes. Which "libbie zombie" forced the Confederate VP to say that so forcefully, which is so inconvenient for your argument?

The fact that you think addressing reality would be making things "worse" is actually the problem.

 

So what it South fought the war to preserve slavery, the North didn’t fight the war to stop it.

 

Well, they get their news from the Southern Poverty Law Center so.....

 

I don't think that I have taken a single piece of information from SPLC here. So why do you think that honoring the Confederacy is not honoring its cause, which, according to them, was slavery?

 

Part of it's a pride thing. Nobody cares about the politics except for democrats. Nobody in the South is wishing we still had slavery.

 

Pride in what? The fact that their ancestors fought for slavery? Why would they be proud of that if they didn't want slavery? I mean, even if you wanted to say your personal ancestors didn't fight for that, the people on those statues, which are generally the leaders, certainly did. And one would think that the ancestors of those not fighting for slavery would be very upset at the people who got their ancestors to fight for the right of the rich people to own slaves.

 

They dont need to wish for it, because they still have it in the form of prison labor

 

If I were making a list of the people I don't care about, people in prison would be near the top.

 

Those are the easiest people to enslave and/or exploit, arent they? You've got the slave holder's mindset down, no wonder you sympathize with the Confederacy.