Trump Signs Order to Restore Racist Monuments, Ban Diversity

I see some difference between identifying people by race and treating them by race but still, the same rules would apply to everyone.

If it's racist to treat people by race, everyone who treats people by race is racist.

 

It's some of each.

Why do you think democrats work so had to keep slavery in the current mindset? Juneteenth is the perfect example. Every year, you have a federal holiday that reminds black people that white people used to own them.

 

If you try to eliminate all context from the world, you end up with arguments where you essentially take the position that your own actions make you racist.

 

Do you think that they forget that? Would it be better if we just had more confederate flags or monuments to remind them of it?

 

you do realize that this discussion started with Trump wanting Confederate statues back up, right?

 

History isn’t forgotten unless it is erased. Southern history is still part of America, good or bad, it should remain for future generations.

 

There is a difference between players in a professional athletic league and immigrants from one country that are being scapegoated by a demagogic politician based on a false narrative. Just saying.

 

Every year we have a federal holiday to remind white people that that the US declared its independence from Great Britain in 1776. Maybe the reason that we have that Federal holiday (Juneteenth) is because ending the barbaric practice of hereditary chattel slavery in the US was a significant milestone in the development of the US as a truly civilized country.

 

So you associate patriotism with white people?

 

That's only because the democrats took them down within recent history.

 

Why do you want to remind black people that white people used to own them as slaves with Confederate statues?

 

This is like gun nuts blathering that anyone who wants any kind of enhanced gun restrictions wants to totally disarm them.

NOBODY supports slavery. People who appreciate the Confederate statues aren't trying to bring back slavery. Bringing slaves into America was a disaster and everyone knows it.

 

False, if you support prison labor you support slavery, and we have plenty of people who do

 

I thought your objection to Juneteenth was that it reminded black people of how white people kept black people as slaves. Now you want monuments that have the same effect? Why do you think monuments like the Battle of Liberty Place or the statue in Lee Circle in New Orleans were built?

 

what about the black slaves that were owned by blacks?

 

Pretty rare occurrence. Much of it happened in New Orleans, where a third social class based on race had developed for mixed people. You and your obsession with "exceptions."

 

No but the colonists behind the revolution against British rule were, in fact, close to 100 percent white although there were a very small number of exceptions. Speaking of patriotism and race, Black Americans fought for this country in World War I, World War II and Korea after which they returned to civilian life in a country that treated them as second class citizens. One example are subsidized VA mortgages. Although they were eligible Black veterans were effectively denied the benefits of VA mortgages thanks to redlining, restrictive covenants and explicit discrimination which denied them access to the affordable housing built from the late 1940s through the 1960s that enabled white American vets to purchase starter homes.

 

This article sheds some light on what you call an exception

Black Slaveowners – Abbeville Institute

Black slaveholding is a historical phenomenon which has not been fully explored by scholars. Graduate students of history are often surprised to learn that some free blacks owned slaves. Even historians are frequently skeptical until they discover the number of black masters and the number of slaves owned by them. To many readers, slavery was an institution exclusively utilized by white slaveowners. The fact that free blacks owned slaves has been lost in the annals of history.

Yet at one time or another, free black slaveowners resided in every Southern state which countenanced slavery and even in Northern states. In Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia, free blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves, according to the federal census of 1830.

Many of the black masters in the lower South were large planters who owned scores of slaves and planted large quantities of cotton, rice, and sugar cane. In 1860, for example, Auguste Donatto, a free colored planter of St. Landry Parish in Louisiana, owned 70 slaves who worked 500 acres of land and produced 100 bales of cotton. About 600 miles to the east of Louisiana in the county of Sumter, South Carolina, William Ellison, a free colored planter, used the labor of 70 slaves to cultivate 100 bales of cotton in 1861. In South Carolina, Robert Michael Collins and Margaret Mitchell Harris used their slaves to till the soil of Santee Plantation and grew 240,000 pounds of rice in 1849. But the majority of the large colored planters lived in Louisiana. In 1860, Madame Ciprien Ricard and her son Pierre Ricard, free mulattoes of Ibeville Parish, owned 168 slaves. The joint operation of mother and son used the labor of slaves to produce 515 hogsheads of sugar in 1859. Yet not all of the black masters were planters or from the South. In fact, the city of New York had eight black slaveowners who owned 17 slaves in 1830. In short, the institution of black slaveowning was widespread, stretching as far north as New York and as far south as Florida, extending westward into Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri.

 

10,000 out of about 2 million. Would you like to do the math and tell me what percentage that is?

 

you act like your so smart all the time you can do it for your self