Trump orders all federal DEI employees placed on paid leave

You wouldn't know that from being in here LOL regarding "liberals hate DEI". Also, just because you don't see it happening doesn't mean it isn't happening. I do agree that it will be limited going forward because of trump.

 

Are you confusing DEI with ESG? They were definitely one of the more notable investors to make that (ESG) mainstream.

 

I spent 15 years working for a Major Daily Newspaper. I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. I've seen it firsthand. What I question is whether this is still a thing, and I don't think it is, at least for most companies.

 

Same difference. Note the lame corporate acronyms.

 

It was already limited because it's unpopular and viewed as an unnecessary expense. And, everyone hates HR, so. . . .

 

They arent really the same thing at all, one has to do with sustainable/responsible investment portfolios and the other has to do with personnel and hiring. The same right-wing people hate them for sure.

 

So you saw it a while back but now think it's gone? It was huge starting in 2017-2023. The pendulum has for sure swung in the other direction but the fact remains that DEI was used and used by large corporations to "try" to hire minorities over white males. And yes, white women somehow got lumped into the "minority" bucket for some reason.

 

DEI is neither all good nor all bad. It depends on how it’s done

 

ESG is how Blackrock, etc. enforces DEI, thus the latter falls under the former's umbrella. For instance, they commonly use ESG scores (of which DEI is a factor) to determine whether businesses get loans, or preferred rates, etc. Again, the very kind of creepy, skeevy corporate bullshit that people hate and has done ZERO favors for those with a more honest view of racial issues. It's all a game to get people like you to be "on their side" and not call them out for their usual rapacious shit. "Hey, we just threw a bunch of families out of their houses, collected 10pts on the deal. . . but look at our ESG score!!!"

 

Like almost everything.

 

It can be very difficult firing people of color.
You don’t know shit about this subject.
Try a different thread.

 

Have you seen the Bill Burr bit on this? Hilarious.

 

Like I understand how sustainable investing gets labeled as "woke" by the chuds like DEI, but moving away from fossil fuels investments to renewable energy isnt just some "social justice" thing. Who's opening a coal plant today? The aim of ESG was to make money, and to maintain corporate self-governance (i.e. avoiding gov't regulatory interest). There is also a common sense element of not tying your portfolio down with over investing in finite resources.

 

Well, yes. And that's my point. Like everything corporate, it's an angle to play in an effort to increase $$$$$. They don't care. They're scumbags. If they could get the right margins and guarantees, they'd underwrite Holocaust 2.0. Trust me, they'll go right back to polluting the environment on an exponential scale if the money is right.

I.E. Corporations ruin everything they touch. And the bigger they are, the less efficient and shittier they are.

 

And you got hooked. "Sustainable investing." Literally penned by an Ad Agency and/or PR team.

 

Going to be interesting to see how this ends up working. If there are GS employees, they have to be given a certain amount of time to find other open government positions at or just below their current levels in the federal government. So you could end up having a lot of people with DEI focused backgrounds, now inserted to different agencies in a lot of different departments that they would not normally show up in and they have a detailed knowledge of the complaint process against the agency itself.

 

That is because the lawyers run the risk assessment and don’t want to get sued. So they make you put people on a PIP and then document everything. It’s all about profiling who will be litigious.

 

This is closer to the truth and my experiences around it.

 

Look I have no desire to make an ethical case for capitalism, but I assume some of the people who believe its a rational and "good" system are capable of some long-term and ethical thinking instead of just rapacious and exploitative short-term extraction with no regard for consequences. If you are a capitalist you should probably want a sustainable capitalism. Volatility creates chaos and heads on pikes. But if its just meaningless and crude cynisism you are making a great case for a vulgar kind of Marxism in opposition, so I suppose I win either way.

 

It would be funny to see them get rid of rules like preferences for military veterans or citizenship requirements for merit-based hiring. What do you think, will he really do merit-based hiring or was that more of a euphemism?