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Trump fires 17 (known) IG's on Friday Night Massacre - Who needs oversight?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jan 24, 2025 at 11:47 PM.

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  1. Jan 26, 2025 at 10:26 PM #101
    G8trGr8t

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    Donald Trump Just 'Technically' Violated the Law—Lindsey Graham

    Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, told NBC News' Kristen Welker on Sunday morning that President Donald Trump "technically" violated the law in his firing of over a dozen inspectors general on Friday.
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    Trump's hasty firing of the inspectors general received significant backlash from his critics with fears he is trying to replace those independent watchdogs with loyalists. However, even if the president violated the law, the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity last year gives presidents wide latitude to bend the rules or even break the law without repercussions.
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    Hannibal "Mike" Ware, who leads the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE), said 18 independent watchdogs were fired, according to NBC News, which reported that Ware was among those fired. Most of the dismissals were officials who had been appointed during Trump's first presidential term, The Washington Post reported. Michael Horowitz, the inspector general at the Department of Justice, was reportedly spared.

    Federal law requires presidents to give Congress "substantive rationale, including detailed and case specific reasons" for the dismissals 30 days before the firings, the CIGIE said in a letter to White House personnel director Sergio Gor on Friday, per Reuters.
     
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  2. Jan 26, 2025 at 10:32 PM #102
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    Someone should have told the Founding Fathers about Donald Trump.
     
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  3. Jan 26, 2025 at 10:52 PM #103
    G8trGr8t

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    they knew, it's why they set up a system of checks and balances. they never anticipated that the senate would become part of a cult and totally abandon their responsibility to judge an impeachment case based on facts and evidence and not politics. every member of the senate that voted innocent on impeachment should be removed for abdicating their responsibility. the evidence was overwhelming, it didn't matter to the spineless twits worried about being primaried by MAGA
     
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  4. Jan 26, 2025 at 11:11 PM #104
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    I have 4 years worth of popcorn to watch this poop show. I’ll be more than fine, but my maga neighbors who are dependent on public assistance and have Medicare won’t be fine. Wait till their drugs go up in prices. Can’t wait to yell “MAGA” at them when I hear them whining. Yes, I’m petty and stopped GAF a long time ago.
     
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  5. Jan 26, 2025 at 11:15 PM #105
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    Hilarious. Amazing how "technically violating the law" doesn't seem to be an important thing either to Graham, MAGA voters, or, well, the entirety of the Republican Party Criminal Organization.
     
  6. Jan 26, 2025 at 11:47 PM #106
    G8trGr8t

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    I think some posters here need to set him straight.
     
  7. Jan 27, 2025 at 12:53 PM #107
    Tjgators

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    Obama fired General Gerald Walpin in 2009 after the IG identified millions of dollars in AmeriCorps funds that were wasted or misspent. Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson was the man in charge of AmeriCorps. Obama did not want his friend and loyal supporter to be investigated. Probably never heard of that one. MSM quiet.
     
  8. Jan 27, 2025 at 1:36 PM #108
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    don’t think Johnson was ever in charge of americorps
    But there were Republican allegations that Obama fired Walpinti protect Johnson. Don’t know if they were proven
     
  9. Jan 27, 2025 at 2:13 PM #109
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    Obama Axes AmeriCorps' Inspector General
     
  10. Jan 27, 2025 at 2:15 PM #110
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    If the IGs were illegally fired, does that mean they're still on the job, or have they just let Trump illegally take their jobs away?
     
  11. Jan 27, 2025 at 2:21 PM #111
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  12. Jan 27, 2025 at 2:54 PM #112
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    Ignoring the law and established protocols sounds roguish. Birds of a feather...
     
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  13. Jan 27, 2025 at 3:15 PM #113
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    yeah Judy, you know all about those birds who flock together
     
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  14. Jan 27, 2025 at 3:36 PM #114
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    Yeah, all working together to Make America Grotesque Again.
     
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  15. Jan 27, 2025 at 3:43 PM #115
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    Why would these guys need to be overseen?

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  16. Jan 27, 2025 at 3:44 PM #116
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    do two wrongs make a right in yur world? do better
     
  17. Jan 27, 2025 at 3:45 PM #117
    G8trGr8t

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    with less than 50% of the popular vote trying to rule by mandate

    so much for democracy
     
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  18. Jan 27, 2025 at 5:25 PM #118
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    That is not a change to make them civil servants. If they are political appointees, any POTUS can fire them. And I'm quite sure you would be creating a very similar thread even if Trump had provided justifications.

    Democrats have the right to try and bring Articles of Impeachment in the House if they feel that this action warrants it. However, I would recommend waiting until after a federal judge has ruled on the Constitutionality of the POTUS having to provide justification to Congress on firing a POTUS appointed political appointee.
     
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  19. Jan 27, 2025 at 5:41 PM #119
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    It is not just IG's on the chopping block. The stated intent is to also reclassify numerous rank and file civil servants across all departments, who normally have protected status from political firing, so the admin can do mass terminations.

    We are on the brink of something really untoward and unprecedented.
     
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  20. Jan 27, 2025 at 5:45 PM #120
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    Really? Who could have foreseen it!
     
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