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Trump blames Haley for Jan. 6

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by cocodrilo, Jan 20, 2024.

  1. cocodrilo

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    Unbelievable. You're saying that it's dumb to change your mind about something. What could be dumber than that? And you're confirming the whole point of the post that you're criticizing. Nothing can change the mind of a cultist. Thanks!
     
  2. Gator715

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    I mean, it's just odd. It would require some internal change of heart because it's not like "Trump saying dumb things" is new information.

    And a change of heart would imply more than likely that you're new to this, which is what I said.

    If you're 60 years old and you didn't care about Trump saying dumb things in 2016, or 2020... odds are... you don't care about him saying dumb things now.
     
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  3. citygator

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    Thinly veiled bigotry of the right in the vein of accentuating Obama's middle name. I swear how anyone can support this rancid fool is beyond me.

    Trump is turning to racism to mock Nikki Haley's Indian name. Experts say it could backfire.

    Donald Trump is reaching for racism against his political opponent — this time, against former Gov. Nikki Haley of South Carolina.

    While the former president, who's the frontrunner for the Republican Party, posted an attack against Haley on his Truth Social account on Friday, he repeatedly referred to her as "Nimbra," a play on her birth name, Nimarata Nikki Randhawa. Haley is the daughter of Indian immigrant parents.

    It's difficult to say what Trump is referencing here, whether this is one of his many spelling errors or a deliberate sign of disrespect.
     
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  4. rivergator

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    Probably true. But that just echoes what so many of us have been saying. His following is so loyal that there appears nothing he can say or do to shake their resolve.
    It's baffling.
     
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  5. Gator715

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    I would agree that there's almost nothing he can say to shake their resolve. Just because he talks so much shit, he engages in hyperbole so much, it's hard to really tell if he's being 100% precise and serious because he almost never is.

    He's a loudmouth shit-talking blowhard.

    There's always something you can do to get people to ditch you. But it would take something really big in Trump's case.
     
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  6. rivergator

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    When you're campaigning or just not in office, everything is about what you say. Have we ever had a politician with that kind of hold?
     
  7. Gator715

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    I disagree. What you do and what you don't do is tenfold more important than what you say. This isn't 2016 Trump (who I didn't vote for), this is 2024 Trump with a record as President.

    Not in the US, I don't think so.

    I would agree that there is a danger to Trump in the sense that he provides a sort of blueprint for corrupt politicians with bad intentions in seeking high office.

    But all of that damage is already done and a case can be made that such a blueprint was already there. That cat's been out of the bag for a while now. The only questions remaining that matter is whether you prefer what Trump would do (and refuse to do) in office when compared to what Biden would do (and refuse to do) in office.
     
  8. ursidman

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    Wow! @Gator715 and I agree on something. What is wrong with me? Am I OK?
     
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  9. ajoseph

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    Yes, you know you are getting a lying, cheating, sexual-abusing, megalomaniac who believes only in himself and that the world revolves around him. This we all know.

    Honestly, is that a good thing?
     
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  10. ajoseph

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    But, and this might sound strange to some of his supporters, the words of the President of the United States MATTER. When he speaks and says something, the words have import, meaning and ramifications.
     
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  11. cocodrilo

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    Yeah, in totality it's all about Trump "saying dumb things." Trying to overthrow an election, taking and refusing to return U.S. classified documents, four criminal indictments, etc., none of that makes any difference.
     
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  12. philnotfil

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    He is an anti-anti-Trumper.

    Opinion | If Liberals Hate Him, Then Trump Must Be Doing Something Right - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    That was a remarkable admission, but it is also a key to understanding what is happening on the right. While there are those like Sean Hannity who are reliable cheerleaders for all things President Trump, much of the conservative news media is now less pro-Trump than it is anti-anti-Trump. The distinction is important, because anti-anti-Trumpism has become the new safe space for the right.

    Here is how it works: Rather than defend President Trump’s specific actions, his conservative champions change the subject to (1) the biased “fake news” media, (2) over-the-top liberals, (3) hypocrites on the left, (4) anyone else victimizing Mr. Trump or his supporters and (5) whataboutism, as in “What about Obama?” “What about Clinton?”

    For the anti-anti-Trump pundit, whatever the allegation against Mr. Trump, whatever his blunders or foibles, the other side is always worse.

    But the real heart of anti-anti-Trumpism is the delight in the frustration and anger of his opponents. Mr. Trump’s base is unlikely to hold him either to promises or tangible achievements, because conservative politics is now less about ideas or accomplishments than it is about making the right enemies cry out in anguish.
     
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  13. rivergator

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    I would point out two differences between Trump now and Trump in office:
    1. He's made his lack of loyalty to our democratic system quite clear. That's pretty key.
    2. He's also made it clear that he plans a lot of retribution against all those he thinks have done him wrong. Those who filed and are prosecuting charges against him. He's talked about taking over the FCC so he can punish news networks who said stuff he doesn't like. He's talked about basically unlimited powers. Among his legal defenses is that nothing the president does is illegal.
     
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  14. Gator715

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    1. Even if you subscribe to the left-wing hysteria surrounding January 6th, he's termed out of office if he wins.
    2. And? If his justice department happens to find something on them, isn't that the established standard set from the Trump indictments? Again, he's a blowhard who talks a lot of crap. He can't punish news networks even if he wanted to thanks to the 1st Amendment. Just because he's out there pushing incorrect legal defenses doesn't make him guilty, nor does it mean he has no legal defenses, nor does it mean the prosecution has enough to find him guilty.

    Also, let's not pretend Biden is squeaky clean on the spirit of the First Amendment or the legal rights protected under the First Amendment.

    Biden admin pushed to ban Twitter users for COVID 'disinformation'

    The Biden White House pressured Twitter to both “elevate” and “suppress” users based on their stances on COVID-19 — ultimately “censoring info that was true but inconvenient” to policy makers, according to the latest edition of the “Twitter files” revealed Monday.

    The coercion campaign during the pandemic began with the Trump administration — which asked Twitter to crack down on stories about panic buying and “runs on grocery stores” in the early days of the outbreak — but was stepped up under Biden, whose administration was focused on the removal of “anti-vaxxer accounts,” according to The Free Press reporter David Zweig.
     
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  15. citygator

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    :D

     
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  16. gatorchamps960608

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    Trump just said that Nimrata should "go back to where she came from." She was born in South Carolina.

    How do you MAGAts feel about Trump employing racism against one of your own?
     
  17. enviroGator

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    He needs to be hitting Trump every single day! Gloves off time.
     
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  18. l_boy

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    The Trump administration coordinated messaging and talking points with Fox News. One can certainly have an opinion as to whether that is a good idea, or proper, but there is nothing unconstitutional about it, unless they were being coerced with the threat of regulatory retaliation.

    As to Trump, you can make excuses that he can’t do what he says he wants to do, but do we really want to elect someone who is going to try? From the various accounts of people that worked for him, there is every reason to believe he would do the things he has threatened to do, but the reason it hasn’t happened is either people stood in his way or his sheer incompetence.

    It’s like saying you’d allow somebody who says he looks at child porn to work at a day care center, because you are confident with others around and cameras he would get caught before anything bad happened.
     
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  19. ajoseph

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    They either don’t care, or they agree. That’s all there is to it.
     
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  20. Gator715

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    I am almost certainly confident that this is Trump’s last election, and I am completely confident that this is his last election for President, and I think most people including you are as well.