Trump blames Biden and California Gov. Gavin Newsom for deadly wildfires

Also, what's your history of fighting raging forest fires? How many years as a hot shot?

As for running out of water, the three tanks were full before the fire started. There are limited or no hydrants in the hilly, unoccupied areas above the residential area. And in the residential area, the hydrants were designed to handle single house fires, not entire community fires raging for three straight days. Again, having Lake Michigan available wouldn't have made much difference.

 

You know, those young adults that do what they are not supposed to do and ask their parents to bail them out time after time. That's the Democrats in California. California democrats refuse to spend money on forest management. Controlled burns and thinning are not a new concept. Instead, democrats put their hands up and say it's not our fault. The fire hydrants had no water because the area's public infrastructure is chronically underfunded, and Newsome wanted to save a few smelt. The LA mayor made 17 million dollars in cuts to the fire department just last month. DEI is at the top of the list of importance in the Fire department. The chief is on video telling us so.

To top it off, most of these people lost their home insurance a few months ago. Where is the California government here? The deep deep blue Democrats might flip their votes in two years after watching their homes and businesses burn down. As for Trump, I don't know if the denial is true or untrue. NBC and CNN are fake news. If it is true, the parent is finally telling the child... enough. Fix the problems you created yourself. The American taxpayer is tired of bailing out your insane policies. You are a drain on the country. California is maybe the greatest piece of real estate in the world and you continue to mismanage it. California is going to turn.

 

I would disagree, Cali probably still hasn't had enough...

 

You do realize those NATIONAL forests are not under the administration of the state of California, right? As for CA wanting a bail out: CA pays more into the fed than they get back. Remember that when fed aid goes to states other than CA.

 

California has been under several years of drought with one year not making up for the loss of rain. Increasing use by massive urban areas, and importantly, drying agricultural regions are all driven by climate change.

What Trump is asking for will cause additional, substantial damage to regions of California that still barely have the water resources to remain at some sort of a median.

Local politicians cannot solve global climate issues.

Local politicians cannot control hurricane force winds, driving embers miles from major fires and making airborne firefighting impossible.

Local politicians did sink billions into forest management and firefighting resources.

You may as well get angry that DeSantis couldn’t stop storm surge that badly damaged Pinellas and the surrounding areas. This is purely political theatrics that intentionally ignore the root causes of progressively more destructive wild fires. Hell, climate scientists warned of this decades ago, but we were too busy rolling coal to care…

 

The sheer irony of this post, given that the barbs are being fired from the Republican leader, borders on comedy. The fact that almost the entire world, sans the GOP, recognizes the root cause of these issues is tragedy.

 

The difference in your reaction is fascinating. A hurricane hits a historically Republican area, and you didn't go after their local leaders on infrastructure or incompetence. Instead, it was the feds that should have been there. Now, a disaster hits a traditionally Democratic area, and now it all about the local government and the feds should abandon them. Of course, you have no real knowledge of infrastructure, budgets, forest management, water management, or any of the topics as it relates to the issues on the ground. But why let a little thing like that stop you from analyzing politics from the foundation of your emotions, notably, resentment.

 

I stayed at a holiday inn express in malibu and flushed the toilets. All seemed to work fine.

 

Climate change?? Rrrrriiiiiggggghhhhhttttt!!!!!

You just might exceed AzCat in blind faith in government

 

This thread, with a h/t to New York Times Pitchbot:

Having mastered epidemiology, large language models, supply chain logistics, bridge design, and the proper modeling of climate, I would like to delve into the intricacies of California water policy and forest management (1/89):

 

The area in and around Payson is gorgeous. Spent some time hiking and camping up there.

 

Climate change is science. It’s as much science as:

• Cancer research
• Virology
• Astronomy
• Computer science
• Geology
• Microbiology
• Etc

“LOL NUH UH YOU LIKE THIS OTHER GUY” isn’t a valid or intelligent argument. I don’t know if your cognitive dissonance is due to the fact you think climate science is a US government thing (it’s not) or that you simply don’t care since you’ll be gone before the worst effects hit, but you’re literally engaging in the same denial as, say, folks who think microbes aren’t real.

We can observe the physics and thermodynamics that are the driving mechanisms of anthropogenic climate change.

We can eliminate other past drivers of climate change that could cause such a rapid increase in global average temperatures.

We see the impact of melting Greenland’s ice sheets reduces salinity that is a primary driver of the AMOC. We have data from satellites, sea surface instrumentation, mid- to deep-sea instrumentation, and models that accurate model data that we’re getting.

Important note: sensors and satellites aren’t aware of American electoral politics, shockingly.

We’re observing the effects of higher average surface temperature affecting tropical crops, like cacao and coffee trees. We’re also seeing increasing incidences of kidney failure among those workers due to heat-driven dehydration.

We can observe, and I’ve personally observed, retreating Icelandic glaciers at rates that exceed thawing during the end of the last glacial maxima… with no orbital eccentricities to explain it. (It’s us.)

We can observe the same in the Rockies, Himalayas, and most Northern Hemisphere ranges. We see it with the Arctic ice sheets. Ironically, it’s opened potential sea channels that are making Trump hot and bothered about potential economic exploitation.

So no. It’s not us. It’s you. You’re engaged in political nonsense on a topic independent of American electoral politics. You’re politicized a serious issue because the implications are both scary and require sacrifice on your part to remedy them. Why? I don’t know. I know why I was a denialist.

I would hope “it’s complex and I don’t understand it and expect my media/political source in question to tell me what to think” isn’t it.

 

It's a Russian agent. Why are you engaging with it? It is so classic FSB it's sickening. Like, it doesn't even try to hide it.

 

Posted by someone who made their living on government contracts, America in a nutshell. Guess you accepted their checks and bullshit about needing new and fancy weapons all the time.

 

I don’t even know what they mean by “forest management” for things like the Palisades Fire. It’s an area with a bunch of scrub brush. You can’t get rid of it because it grows back quickly and you need the roots systems to stabilize the mountain/hillsides and for wildlife/ecosystem. My brother used to live next to an area like this north of the Bay Area and the same place burned every year or two.

 

Adding to the other poster who called out your two-faced argument on insurance rates: California is sinking tons of resources into fire prevention and fighting. The problem is just so enormous and getting worse that it’s nearly untenable… sort of like having property along hurricane targets.

Why California spends billions but can't control its wildfires. 'No simple or cheap solution'

The above link mentions that HALF of California’s acreage is considered a serious fire hazard. Our root cause here is drought. Guess what’s caused the extreme dry conditions?

https://lao.ca.gov/reports/2022/4495/wildfire-forest-resilience-012622.pdf

 

Wow, you just wrote four graphs in a reply to someone who didn't make it past the first sentence before he was already writing his Hannity talking points as a reply. Stop wasting your time with people like this. They're purely rhetorical, don't care what you have to say and are 1000% dishonest actors. Stop. That's great information wasted on a person who doesn't care, who doesn't want to care, lacks the wherewithal to care and who views the entire world through the prism of MAGA.

It just pains me to see you wasting your time like this. With these people it's 8th grade, it's the playground or lunchroom. . . What it is NOT is intellectually honest. You'd be better off trying to teach your dog how to solve quadratic equations.

 

AND the evidence speaks for itself!!!! As usual, vapidly.

 

Could have had this.

Instead we get The Douche and his band off Full-Blown Retards!