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Trump administration concedes Maryland father from El Salvador was mistakenly deported

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  1. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    negotiations with El Salvador
     
  2. mdgator05

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    Why would we, as the customer, need to negotiate with them? Stop paying them. Heck, it is Trump's one business move.

    But, if they are negotiating, why not put that into a response to the court?
     
  3. AzCatFan

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    The Alien Enemies Act is a wartime act. The power to declare war rests with Congress. With no formal declaration, no war, and the act does not apply. The SCOTUS ruled 7-2 in this.

    Trump can ignore the SCOTUS ruling. But that's not what is supposed to happen in our Constitutional democracy. Ignoring court rulings is what Fascist dictators do.
     
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  4. vegasfox

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    I said: "Trump has carte Blanche to do what he wants in this area per the Alien Enemies Act"

    True statement. SCOTUS can't enforce Jack diddly sqaut.

    Illegal aliens don't get "due process." They should get an executive hearing and that's it.
     
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  5. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    In the end my bet is the deportations of illegals happen as they should
     
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  6. GatorRade

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    Right here
    This is interesting. You are saying that when the Supreme Court finds that the president has overstepped his constitutional authority, they may step in to curb him. However, if the president finds that the Supreme Court has overstepped its authority, the president can likewise curb them?
     
  7. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    The Constitution doesn't provide a specific mechanism for resolving disagreements between the executive and judicial branches beyond the checks and balances built into the system.
     
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  8. vegasfox

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    The Alien Enemies Act is not just a wartime act. It is also about foreign invasions and predatory incursions. Trump's actions in executing his powers regarding the act are not subject to judicial review.

     
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  9. VAg8r1

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    Since John Marshall wrote the decision in Marbury v. Madison in 1803 the principle of judicial review in which the Supreme Court is considered the final arbiter in disputes between the judicial and executive branches has been settled law.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    link to criminal conviction

    or just more bullcrap from you and your alternate reality?
     
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  11. VAg8r1

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    The idea that Albrego Garcia will not be returned because Bukele refuses to return him is a fiction created by both Trump and the President of El Salvador. Does anyone seriously believe that if Trump insisted that he be returned to the US Bukele would continue to hold him?
     
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  12. VAg8r1

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    Was going to say the same. Albrego Garcia has never been convicted of any crimes and if what I could determine even formally charged.
     
  13. G8trGr8t

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    ever heard of a thing called an extradition treaty?

    MAGA acting like getting someone back from a foreign country is a new thing that nobody ever thought of..smdh..are they really this ignorant or just trolling

    they could literally charge him with perjury and have him extradited if they wanted to as if stopping payment for the prisoners wouldn't do it.

    USA_biltreat_elsal_eng_1.pdf
     
  14. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    the fact that he came here illegally in and of itslef is a crime- the fact that he was charged twice with beating his wife and then his wife refused to cooperate does not negate the fact that he committed violence against a women and once when she was holding his child
     
  15. mdgator05

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    He was never charged with a crime.
     
  16. Gatorrick22

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    So, the SCOTUS gave the POTUS their "rules" to follow? Not sure if they have the Constitutional right to do that... Not only that the Constitutional Power to keep our citizenry safe from enemies, foreign and domestic, lies with the Executive Branch and that is the POTUS... NOT the SCOTUS.

    Why does the SCOTUS think the Executive Branch... THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA... has to ask them for permission to keep us safe from terrorists?
     
  17. VAg8r1

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    I would add that he was 16 years old when he entered the US illegally. Except for serious violent felonies, 16-year olds are virtually never prosecuted for crimes. I would also add that his parents probably sent him to the US so that he wouldn't be forced into a gang which is almost certainly why a judge issued an order in 2019 specifically prohibiting his deportation back the El Salvador.

    Abrego Garcia was never formally charged with criminal spousal abuse. This is what his wife said regarding her request for a protective order (context matters).
    “After surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship, I acted out of caution following a disagreement with Kilmar by seeking a civil protective order, if case things escalated. Things did not escalate, and I decided not to follow through with the civil court process. We were able to work through the situation privately as a family, including by going to counseling,” Jennifer Vasquez Sura said in a statement to multiple outlets on Wednesday.
    https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...statement-domestic-violence-protective-order/
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    was he convicted of being here illegally? No. SO he hasn't been convicted of a crime, unlike your orange saviour who ahs been convicted of multiple serious crimes

    link to credible accusation of beating wife and kid

    should I accuse you of the same and consider you to be guilty as accused?
    So Marbury didn't happen?
     
  19. vaxcardinal

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    I’m pretty sure I heard him say he won’t return the wife beater.
     
  20. vaxcardinal

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    At least someone on the wife beaters side has acknowledged that he was here illegally
     
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