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Trump’s support continues to fall

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Dec 13, 2022.

  1. VAg8r1

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    Reiterating what another poster said a couple of months ago with a slight modification, the best thing for the GOP would be for Trump to join Ivana at the golf course in Bedminster. If Trump doesn't get the Republican nomination in 2024 he will do whatever is necessary to defeat the nominee, most likely Ron DeSantis at this point. Trump's narcissistic personality disorder is so extreme that he will never accept defeat. The only way that he will endorse the party's nominee and that's becoming less and less likely would be in exchange for the promise of a blanket pardon. Trump will once again resurrect the narrative that he was denied the nomination as the result of voter fraud and enough of his supporters who worship him like a deity will vote for him as a third party candidate, cast their vote for another third party candidate or just end up staying home rather than voting for the candidate who stole the nomination/election from their orange Messiah.
     
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  2. BigCypressGator1981

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    Better late than never. Please for the love of god eradicate the pest.
     
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  3. mrhansduck

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    Good point. Truth is that most people (myself included) have made many wrong predictions about Trump. I'm a little gun-shy to be in the prediction game at this point but don't expect that to stop me, lol. IMO, two "known unknowns" right now are how viscous Trump is willing to get in a primary and whether we might see another crowded GOP field or at least guys like Cruz and DeSantis splitting up significant votes.
     
  4. g8trjax

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    And just think of all the stupid shit he'll say in the next two years.
     
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  5. VAg8r1

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    Raising another question, how many voters voted against Hillary Clinton in 2016 rather than voting for Trump?
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    Agreed. I do believe it will be tougher for Trump than in 2016 because he probably cant just show up and win, so I think it mostly depends on how much he wants it. Trump's been pretty low energy and lazy recently, so his heart might not be in it. Effort and hard work has never really been his thing. On the other hand, most Republicans barely know DeSantis unless they are Fox News/conservative media junkies. He doesn't exactly light up the TV with his charisma, and the party elite who voters hate will be mostly in the tank for him, something Trump can exploit if he's up to it. Polls mean little at this point, IMO.
     
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  7. dangolegators

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    You've been saying this for longer than it's been true. Repubs are finally moving on from Trump because of the midterms disaster. And let's not pretend like Trump is totally done. Until he announces that he's changed his mind, and he's not running in 2024, he will still be the first choice for an embarrassingly large percentage of Republican voters.
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    The crazed hatred of Trump, from the left, is predicated on 10% his policy as president and 90% he ‘stole’ their birthright in 2016 AND because he clapped back when they raged at him.
     
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  9. VAg8r1

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    Especially the last sentence. This is from December 2014.
    CNN/ORC Poll: Bush surges to 2016 GOP frontrunner | CNN Politics
    And this is from January 2015
    Scott Walker leads tight GOP pack in new Iowa Poll
     
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  10. mrhansduck

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    The vast majority of Trump's actual "polices" probably wouldn't have been much different than if Ted Cruz or DeSantis had been in office. I think their SCOTUS nominees would have been basically the same but they probably would have picked more qualified people to be around them generally. Also, it's easy to forget how many Republicans/conservatives disliked Trump and said abnormally horrible things about him before it was clear he was going to win the nomination. That wasn't just typical partisan bickering. IMO, it's not that the left has become crazed but that Republicans fell in line.
     
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  11. wgbgator

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    Trump is a big germaphobe, he's deathly afraid of viruses you know
     
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  12. VAg8r1

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    Actually a lot of the lefties who hate Trump were supporters of Bernie Sanders who think that Hillary Clinton and the DNC stole the Democratic nomination from their guy.
     
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    DeSantis is actually probably more conservative than Trump. But he’s also a relatively rational actor comparatively who,
    To date, hasn’t been hell bent on destroying democracy, which makes him the automatic better choice. Policies can be overturned, faith in or the stability of our democratic pillars aren’t as easily restored.
     
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    More than both Trump and Clinton are still willing to admit.
     
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    Don't really care either way. Just wish we could do away with the presidency all together or split the executive like Congress. The executive has become too powerful IMHO.
     
  17. wgbgator

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    I think conservative courts would be much more willing to go out on a limb in embracing creative legal theories in a contested election for Desantis vs. Trump. Not to mention the A team would gladly work for DeSantis in such a scenario where Trump had to scrape the barrel with the Rudys of the world.
     
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  18. tilly

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    Its always been true. The creek is just turning into a river.
     
  19. ajoseph

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    Does he though? That shine that blinded so many to who he really is has eroded. I think the vast majority of people just want him to go away, and have stopped listening to him. I believe he doesn’t even make it to the first debate.
     
  20. ajoseph

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    But by the end of the 2022 election cycle, the poor GOP showing, particular with his “blessed” candidates, showed that he was toast. He lost the power brokers and big money, which so far has moved en mass to DeSantis.