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Travel warning to Florida?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ThePlayer, May 21, 2023.

  1. wgbgator

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    I would say most people who claim self-defense have convinced themselves of its truth. The easiest person to convince is always yourself.
     
  2. PITBOSS

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    no. imo, I don’t think the state of fla is openly hostile to poc. Naacp appears to allow interpretation of their memo to what they deem our gov is doing, to be broadened to “Florida”. As for the fla government being openly hostile - we’ve been debating that. But then most of us arn’t poc or LGBTQ. I anticipate they have a different perspective (NAACP).
     
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  3. UFLawyer

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    Voluntary for who? Are you saying you are ok with private businesses imposing a racial quota? Or are you just ok with it if the quota is limited to hiring less white folks?
     
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  4. gator95

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    Glad you agree the NAACP is playing politics, not being genuine. I have 3 POC that I work with, all of them laughed at the issue and said it's beyond stupid and too dumb to even discuss.
     
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  6. Spurffelbow833

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    In the woke STEM world, i = 1. Please let it go.
     
  7. Contra

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    On the flip side, your characterization of conservatives, who are concerned about oppressor vs. oppressed ideologies being taught in our schools, as communists undermines the idea that your perspective is rooted in a simple unbiased examination of history. It is truly laughable that you could say something like that, then also hide behind the mask of "we're just teaching history." I would have disagreed if you had used McCarthyism as a point of comparison, but that would have been a more respectable and defendable position.
     
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  8. BLING

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    Hoovers argument “they are trying to erase math and make it racist”

    Reality of what Seattle is likely trying to do: make math more relatable and interesting to students of different backgrounds.

    Pretty hard to judge either way, based on one single slide. Wouldn’t you say? I’d lean towards Seattle knowing what they are doing. Seattle is one of the top areas in the county for educated populous, so the author of the article couldn’t even do this article without jabbing California’s education system. “California will soon probably try to do what this highly successful school system in Seattle is doing”. Umm… ok.
     
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  9. wgbgator

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    Whoah … How can he say that when I live here?
     
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  10. gator_lawyer

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    If a business or college wants to use racial quotas for groups who have been historically discriminated against, the Equal Protection Clause does not forbid that. Read Thurgood Marshall's opinion in Bakke.

    LOL. Still pushing the right-wing caricatures. My "respectable and defendable position" is that academic freedom is a good thing, as are First Amendment rights. Freedom-hating folks like yourself don't like that. But fortunately, I live in a free country, even DeSantis can't change that (for now).
     
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  11. gator_lawyer

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    Rick Scott is such a loser. Big talk from a man who got rich off of robbing the taxpayers.
     
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  12. middleoftheroadgator

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    Wth? So now everyone that said the NAACP was wrong will agree that this is way out of bounds. To try to put Biden or anyone in the same breath as Castro or other Communist Socialist countries is the lowest of lows. The right is really going off the rails. Do they not care about 2024? None of these wars is helping them. I truly do not understand. The GOP is a total mess right now.
     
  13. duggers_dad

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    Muslim Algebra.
     
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    A long time ago, when I was in grade school, I learned about slavery and Jim Crow and Rosa Parks. Shame to see Florida taking all that out of textbooks.
     
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  16. gator_lawyer

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    All of that is bad. I disagree with it. And I dislike Newsom for that and many other reasons. Unlike yourself, I don't fall all over myself to defend these sorts of actions, and I don't blame Republicans for Democrats behaving badly in these situations. You have to make excuses for why you're abandoning your principles. You know what's easier? Adhering to them.

    It's a problem that they keep passing unconstitutional legislation knowing that it is unconstitutional legislation, particularly legislation that is focused on suppressing ideas and punishing free speech.

    He was willing to bake wedding cakes for heterosexual couples and unwilling to do it for gay couples. That's discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

    What you're doing is akin to saying that you're not discriminating on the basis of race if you make Black people enter through the back door and don't allow them to eat in the restaurant, as long as you're willing to serve them food.

    The gay couple wanted to purchase a wedding cake. The baker sold wedding cakes. He refused to bake them one because of their sexual orientation.

    The difference between us is that you die on a hill defending these actions before they get struck down (and after, frankly). It's a false equivalence.
     
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  17. gaterzfan

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    Hmmmm, fewer wokesters visiting Florida ….. is that a bad thing?

    Wonder who will be impacted by this …. the hourly employees working in the hospitality, entertainment, and restaurant industries, just the folks about whom wokesters claim to care.
     
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  18. Contra

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    Put freedom in front of anything and it sounds good. "Presidential Freedom," "Judicial freedom," "Legislative freedom," "Government freedom." I mean who is against freedom right? Nonetheless, I am sure you would be annoyed at someone who said, "Well, I'm just for Presidential Freedom you commie," whenever the President was ever questioned about anything. Buzzwords are easy cop outs. They work on the simple minded, and they hide the true reality of things.

    I would reject the abuse of phrases such as "Presidential freedom," "legislative freedom," and "judicial freedom" outright because tyrants should not be allowed to be free. Our system of government was made so that the legislative branch is not free, the judicial branch is not free, and the executive branch is not free because tyrants should not be free. Tyrants are to be regulated by checks and balances.

    You are a liberal. It is strange you believe in so much regulation elsewhere, but when we are dealing with things that supply your political party with incredible power, a power that is so great that it can be used for tyranny, you are not a dedicated believer in regulation anymore. I wonder why. Government institutions, above all others, are not free for a reason: when given unrestrained power they wield incredible control over the citizenry that leads to a citizenry that is not free. An unregulated government institution with no checks and balances is an incredible threat to the populace.

    This is the substance of the argument surrounding education: whatever unaccountable mob controls education wields great power and control over the citizenry. Mob rule in education is what you believe in. You believe in the absolute authority of the mobs that control the educational institutions. You are against any kind of check and balance that would deny any agenda item of your mob in the realm of education. You don't want any kind of democratic mechanism that could give any kind of disfavorable referendum to your mob's control of education. Your mob should dictate the way that anthropology, history, law, economics, religion, justice, science, philosophy, education, etc. are understood, and anyone who gets in the way of that is against "academic freedom."

    On the other hand, I am advocating for a system of check and balances. There is too much potential for educational tyranny, for the mob to behave like an unaccountable communist or fascist dictator and exert their control over the citizenry to build an artificial consensus in the society that agrees with the mob's view on everything. Education needs checks and balances just like the legislative branch, judicial branch, and the executive branch do.
     
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  19. duggers_dad

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    Well, we already know that tranny teachers are leaving Florida, in a huff, because Ronny won’t let them talk dirty to first graders.
     
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  20. G8tas

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    I'm a big proponent of Floridians Protecting Freedom