Three kids killed by shooter at Christian school

Again (and again), can you share with us the difference between transgendered, non-binary and homosexual? If you don't know, it may require you to... gasp... educate yourself.

BTW... I find people that use phrases like "these trans people" as unable to contribute anything of merit.

Men are responsible for 97% of public mass shootings. Why don't you, @Gatorrick22, ever post about "these men are committing mass murder"? Because your hate propaganda doesn't motivate you to. It's so much easier to blame fringe groups for your lot in life. It's embarrassing.

Nashville school shooter’s identity may make them an exceptionally rare perpetrator

 

Part of it is also understanding the magnitude of the risk. Once you pull out gun suicides, the risk of being killed by a firearm is about 1/4 the risk of dying in an accidental fall, also about 1/4 the risk of dying in a traffic accident, and about 1/10 the risk of dying in an accidental poisoning (although to be fair, most of what get characterized as “poisonings” are accidental overdoses).

That’s not a substantial enough risk to put me firmly in the camp of “we have to do something,” particularly when the vast majority of the “somethings” suggested do little to actually address criminal gun use, but are instead just intended to be a burden on gun owners generally as a roundabout way of discouraging lawful gun ownership.

What “works” for other countries is, by and large, severely infringing on - if not outright prohibiting - civilian gun ownership. That is, in my opinion correctly, not a lawful option in the US, nor even a possible one given the number of guns in private ownership.

 

They won't do anything because any talk about regulation even for those with documented mental health issues devolves into the Ole slippery slope argument. They fear giving any inch will lead to infringement on their freedom or "burden" gun owners.

Don't try anything different. Deaths are nominal if you take out suicides.....

What a warped culture.

 

My god is that a load of horse manure.

To recap this post
a. gun deaths aren't a big deal if you ignore suicides so... no biggy!
b. gun deaths (homicide, accidents and suicides) are less likely 'accidents' so ... no biggy!
c. gun control won't help 'cause "criminals!"
d. gun control is too hard because of "America!"

It's a boatload of well trodden, unproductive NRA rhetoric that does nothing to address mass shootings. It does, however, allow you to keep your shiny, nickel plated revolver without guilt. Quite a fortress of denial you got going there!!!

We're doomed.

 

You actually can't buy as much Sudafed as you want. There is a reason that government is tracking that. If you buy too much of it, I suspect that the government is going to do a lot of poking around looking for your meth lab.

 

Just once I'd like you to admit that you don't care about children getting shot instead of throwing up your hands and saying "that's the cost of being an American".

 

Don’t own or want a revolver.

And I already said what changes in gun laws I think should be made - this discussion started with me saying the prohibited person provisions surrounding mental health have clear gaps and need work.

Of course those aren’t the go-to solutions of Brady/Everytown/California, so it was met with “actually addressing gun ownership by the people who commit crimes with guns is too hard, why don’t you agree with just letting us make things harder for the 99.99% of people who will never use their gun to commit a crime as a way to discourage gun ownership instead?”

 

Infringing upon gun ownership rights is not a legal or viable option in the United States. Nor one we should pursue, for the many obvious reasons.

The only feasible way to stop the school shootings is to secure all schools in America the same way we do airports. Will it cost? Yep. Is it worth it? You're goddamn right it is.

If you really care about the children, push for the same security we provide our airlines and passengers. Build Back Better? Should've used that money to make our schools safe, if you really care about the children.

This is the only thing that's actually going to WORK and keep our kids safe. Your gun control crusades are not going to stop it. Mental health checks are not going to stop it.

Secure the schools.

 

We can't secure the schools, malls, concert venues, churches or other places enough and still have an open society.
Those in favor of continuing to do nothing are ok with more of the same in spite of what they may say trying to convince you otherwise.
Being inconvenienced is more offensive to them than dead kids.

 

Why can't we secure the schools to protect our children and have an open society? In what way would securing the schools make us any less an open society than securing the airports did?

 

You kind of hit on why I posted it. We argue about one part of this epidemic, as do the politicians, but for DD it was an all around effort on many fronts. We aren’t there yet surprisingly. As for DD still being a lot of people, it is, but I think the maximum amount of effort is put into addressing it.

However I’d submit that a big help in DD was raising the drinking age to 21 which you could argue takes rights from young adults for the benefit of society and we were willing to do that to save lives.

 

Conservative logic:

Low Risk

• Being killed by a gun

High Risk

• Being killed by an undocumented immigrant
• Having children groomed by drag show
• Being taught white people are bad
• Losing the war on Christmas

I guess I just don’t get it what conservatives put their energy into and what they just write off as the cost of being free.

 

You didn't answer, you deflected.

 

Not really true. People are in fact say do nothing. In fact we couldn’t even align on bump stocks so Trump banned them. Now it’s overturned cause no one in congress would pass a law and the courts say a president hasn’t the power.

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/after-nearly-a-4-year-ban-bump-stocks-are-available-in-texas/

 

Victims’ ages: 61, 61, 60, 9, 9, 9

 

Are there other victims she shot but didn’t die ?

 

I’ve posted in past about training people with firearms. It’s not too difficult for me to get someone fairly proficient at rounds on target, reloading, shooting from cover etc. do you realllllly want to require people to take those courses? Do you reallly want a bad guy more proficient with his forearm ?

 

do you think immersing kids in violence from an earlier age and desensitizing them to ghoulish violence is playing any role? Shows like the A team never hit a person when they shot their rifles, now we show headshots on regular TV nightly. we have gone from centipede, tron, missle command etc to VR headsets of very realistic first person shooter games that people plays 3-4-5-8 hours a day a night. We romanticize and glamorize gun fights in movies, yet all the hunters I know are not only conscientious of their weapons but also respectful of the animals they hunt and the delicate balance of nature and man’s role. It’s a real shame but not unpredictable.

 

Well I guess I wasn’t the first to point this out…

SOTUS GOP chief Justice

2Nd Amendment”fraud on the American people”

Lawrence O’Donnell Airs Old Clip of Republican Chief Justice Calling the Second Amendment a ‘Fraud on the American Public’


There was a time when Republicans were no more in favor of gun rights than Democrats were,” he said. “But then Republican campaign pollsters found the sliver of the electorate that cares obsessively about guns and added them to the sliver of the electorate that cares obsessively about stopping all abortions, and added them to the electorate that hates taxes and liberals. And that became their only formula for winning elections.”


BURGER: If I were writing the Bill of Rights now, there wouldn’t be any such thing as the Second Amendment.

REPORTER: Which says?

BURGER: That a well regulated militia, being necessary for the defense of the state, that people’s rights to bear arms [shall not be infringed]. This has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud – I repeat the word fraud – on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.

Now, just look at those words. There are only three lines to that amendment. A “well regulated militia.” If the militia, which was going to be the state army, was going to be well regulated, why shouldn’t 16 and 17 and 18 or any other aged persons be regulated in the use of arms the way an automobile is regulated?

 

Yep, banning AR style rifles?...with evil shits, if there's a will there's a way...VA Tech 2007
'However, at around 9:40 a.m., Cho, armed with a 9-millimeter handgun, a 22-caliber handgun and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, entered a classroom building, chained and locked several main doors and went from room to room shooting people. Approximately 10 minutes after the rampage began, he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound'.

The attack left 32 people dead and more than a dozen wounded. In all, 27 students and five faculty members died in the massacre.