Three kids killed by shooter at Christian school

Until yesterday the person who killed all those kids was a good and responsible gun owner legally speaking. Dont see anything in the 2nd amendment about "good and responsible" being a requisite for gun ownership either, so there is that too. If you buy a gun, you bought it to kill someone or something (hypothetically in most cases), that's why you buy a gun.

 

Classic lib, “it’s not that much money, so I expect other people who are already funding the bulk of the tab to pay more.”

 

Don't think so. Seems this is a biological female.

Nashville school shooting suspect: Who is the Covenant shooter?


Police identified the attacker as Audrey Elizabeth Hale, 28, a transgender man who was assigned female at birth. Hale entered the Covenant school with an AR-style rifle, and AR-style pistol, and another handgun, police said.

 

I understand why people have a gun for home defense but I laugh at the scenarios some envision to need some of these arsenals. How often do homeowners get in long drawn out shootouts that they need much more than a shotgun/handgun? I work with several people who have said they "feel naked" without their gun. Terrified twitchy squirrels....

 

Everyone thinks that gun rights have their limits.

If you support background checks, you support limiting gun rights to some degree for people with a history of certain crimes.

 

Except history has shown this doesn't help when the security guards are outgunned by the bad guys. Uvalde the cops wouldn't go in because they were afraid of the shooter's weapon. Same with Parkland who had an armed security guard. The shooter in most of these cases is planning and willing to die. A security guard or a locked door is not a deterrent.

 

Outlawing abortion makes more and more sense every day.

The people who want unlimited gun rights need live shooting practice targets.

 

I realize that some folks are in need of a gun because they need it for work, they transport money, or live in a remote area and it may take time for law enforcement to get there.

Again, your collection of guns as you described them appear to ME that you are inordinately afraid of "something".

 

Okay, what’s your solution?

Disarm the good guys while we can’t effectively disarm the bad guys? That sounds brilliant.

Once a mass shooting has started, anybody at the site would rather have something than nothing.

 

Freedom to wear any clothes outfit they want to wear... I'll bet if they had purple hair and nose-rings you'd be okay with it.

 

How can you have good and responsible gun ownership when the barriers to gun ownership are nothing more than the market cost of a gun? Like imagine what driving would look like without any sort of competency, insurance or training requirements, where any adult could drive (until they committed a crime or were adjudicated to be mentally incompetent), no questions asked. That's what gun ownership is now.

 

carrying a gun undoubtedly requires a higher standard of care. Avoidance and de-escalation are absolutely the first tools in the belt, as they should be. The gun is always the last resort to be used only when you have no other options. At the end of the day, situational awareness is a thing, and carrying must be a habit if you want to do so safely and effectively should you ever actually find yourself in a situation where life or death action is the only option.

 

Attack the problem instead of putting a bandaid on it. Ban high capacity magazines and have a more onerous licensing process.

 

well that is pretty much what we already do today but we do a shit job of actually securing the entry funnels.

Most schools I have seen are fenced in, make everyone dress the same, limit contact with the outside, etc.

 

I’ve been pretty open about my experiences on here. Two young adult kids, one bipolar and one autistic spectrum, both on meds for many years. I also know others in similar situations including some friends who recently lost a mentally ill child to suicide.

I can assure you I know the difference in over medicated and under medicated. From what I have seen over medicated is not likely to lead to violent behavior. That’s exactly the opposite of the goal.

It is true that medications may to a degree mask an underlying problem. But what are the alternatives? There is nowhere you can permanently put somebody who is mentally ill, unless the mental illness is so severe that you could get guardianship and you either have an unlimited amount of money or else very good government benefits.

 

It was probably from something they read. Ban more books.

 

So gun regulation won't stop or reduce these from happening but fences and guards will? Where do you stop? What's stops a kid jumping a fence and opening fire on kids waiting for the bus or car pickup after school? Razor wire perimeters?

Why is one method more viable than the other instead of actually looking at multiple facets, one of which would be making high capacity magazines much more difficult to obtain?

 

A gun may help in some situations but it also can escalate the situation and has its own dangers. I am skeptical that in balance it makes most people safer. The data is really mixed as to whether guns make you safer at home - yes they may help with home invasions but the odds are higher that there will be domestic violence and accidental deaths in homes with guns. I haven’t seen data on outside carry but I expect something similar.

One thing for certain by everybody thinking they need a gun it makes like more dangerous for all of us.

 

I get you are part of the 15% that is still controlled by the propaganda. It is a powerful thing!