Three kids killed by shooter at Christian school

As should be obvious by now I have extensive experience on this issue. There is simply no way to tell if somebody is “over medicated” or “under medicated” by just collecting data. While I admit this whole area of medication and mental illness is nothing close to a precise science, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that you are going down this rabbit hole. It’s one of the many excuses thrown out before to try to deflect from guns as a cause of mass shootings.

What is really frustrating is for those who have the difficult task of dealing with the mentally ill, there aren’t easy answers. There is really nowhere to take them. You don’t get a lot of support as a care giver. But when things go wrong the caregivers are the first to get blamed.

 

Yes we’ve all heard that argument before, and it’s nonsense and it’s never going to matter to you until it affects you.

 

Some aren’t.

 

That is a great way to start a dialogue. I guess everyone who owns more than one fire extinguisher is a giant ass baby afraid that their house is going to burn down?

How about this:

I’ll engage you honestly to try to start a dialogue.

I own a variety of guns because one gun doesn’t fit all of my needs. I have handguns in largely the same caliber but different sizes to enable me to select an appropriate gun for my wardrobe on any given day given that I must conceal carry and cannot open carry here in Florida. Small guns are great for concealment and lightweight, but you generally compromise in areas like grip size and capacity (though the latter is less of an issue at this point). Larger guns are easier to shoot rapidly and at distance and have higher capacity but are heavier and harder to conceal. If I have the resources, why should I not select the best tool for the job? In the long guns territory, I have a couple of different options for defending my home, a couple of rifles that are no good for anything besides shooting game or targets at longer distances, a couple of .22 plinkers I use to teach my kids how to shoot, a couple of shotguns that can do multiple things, and a .300 blackout AR pistol that I have plans to suppress that would be advantageous in a home defense scenario to preserve mine and my family’s ability to communicate verbally and also to mitigate the risk of overpenetration inside my home. It is also compact enough to throw in a bag and keep in my vehicle, a hotel room, etc. when we travel. Again, I have the resources, so I can specialize.

I have no desire to ever use any of these guns against a human target, and odds are in my favor that I never will. That said, I love my wife and kids dearly and will immediately and violently engage anyone or anything that intends them great harm or intends to keep me from being there to support and protect them.

 

A former student at a Christian school became trans? Sounds like you guys might have to ban Christian education, its turning people into murderers.

 

It's fun to see people describing a gun as a wardrobe/outfit accessory like a purse (generally the same people who view masculinity as something in crisis in America). There's definitely some rich subtext here to have a dialogue about.

 

I don’t know what you do or your situation so I can’t judge, but I can’t get my arms around many people who think like this, that they must be strapped and prepared to kill somebody on a moment’s notice at all times.

Seems to me you carry a gun into a situation it changes the dynamic of the encounter. Most situations can either be avoided and navigated in a different way.

 

Unless you have such effective security measures as to absolutely ensure nobody on the property has a gun.

If you declare a place a “gun free zone” and don’t give it any teeth, you’re at the mercy of the school/mass shooter.

 

I know, right? Where does this guy live anyway, Somalia?

 

It is great that we have that option available now, but there is value in community interaction. If the pandemic has shown me anything, it is that the isolation of always being remote and only interacting with people through a zoom call is a really poor substitute for the real thing. It would be a great way to create or inflame mental health issues, though.

that said, remote learning should continue to be an option and people should choose how they want to learn based upon their personal risk tolerances.

 

So let’s see how good we are at preventing it, but let’s start with the people with, I don’t know say convicted violent felons who have illegal guns.

You can’t effectively take their’s don’t expect law abiding citizens to give up their’s.

 

You dont think locking kids up in a maximum security prison surrounded by armed guards for 8 hours a day has psychological or learning effects?

 

Oh for Pete’s sake. Having more guns to solve a mass shooting problem is like having more food to cure obesity.

 

There are parents of victims of mass shootings who still support gun rights, the media just don’t like showing them to you.

 

I have no knowledge of your experience, and you have no knowledge of mine; your comments suggests a certainty in believe that I simply don't agree with. You can definitely tell when somebody is over-medicated. It's observable, which makes it collectable as data (note, what you are saying we cannot do is different than what I am saying that we can do). No, it's not a coincidence. The idea comes into my head because of personal experiences and a desire to understand why people tick the way they do. Calling it a rabbit hole doesn't devalue the idea. Multiple layers are involved from the creation (of a destructive desire) to the implementation (of said destruction). Nobody's making excuses, but some are choosing to look the other way when it comes to understanding what drives the behavior before someone acquires the gun. It's almost as if some of you see it as an either/or endeavor (either you can understand the shooter, or you can understand how the shooter came to acquire the gun). Why not pick both?

Nobody is blaming caregivers here. But it should also be noted that sometimes caregivers aren't aware of everything on their plate. Sometimes caregivers ARE aware, but they need more resources available to them.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

No worries for the paranoid ammosexuals. This will be forgotten in a few days... until the next one. Carry on.

 

?? Almost all of them support "gun rights" to some degree

 

No it’s actually not.

Guns in the hands of good and responsible people are a good thing. Even you believe that even if you don’t know it, unless you believe that cops who shoot down a mass shooter shouldn’t be armed either.

 

This is what bothers me most about the "mental illness" talk, like there is a place where you can just take people and they get everything they need (and if you can find such a place that exists, the costs are going to be out of reach for many people).

 

Mass shooting, t&p, ain't it awful, the usual talking points, then a quick shift to " Oh my God they want to take all our guns away!!!!" It is clear where the priorities lie.
Get it through your heads, the second amendment is not going anywhere, in spite of the the scare tactics.