The "Purge Law" starts in Illinois starting 1/1/2023.

You are so scared you needed to start multiple threads on the exact same topic?

Run out of Trans-Fantasies to share with??

 

Yet another bullying tactic to silence people.

"Hey guys lets say he has trans fantasies. That will make him mad and he wont post about it anymore. If he does we can then fall back to out tired tactic of saying hes a bigot."

 

More that we are tired of the board getting spammed with his junk.

 

I have no issue with his topic obsession but the content is bad form to just post YouTube vids with zero commentary. Very low quality and minimal effort. I think it borders on trolling.

Foul language warning:

 

What would you call someone who constantly posts crude propaganda intended only to incite hatred?

 

Same tactic. Denigrate the poster out of hand, ignore what he has to say.

Chicago is going to be ruled by warlords. Somalia right here on US soil. This isn't just wrong. This is evil. And all you can say is the OP posts junk.

 

Back to the topic of the thread, I don’t see the upside in allowing violent felons accused of crimes like kidnapping, drug induced homicide and 2d degree murder out on cashless bail, especially if they are recidivist offenders. It’s a recipe for disaster.

Are the imbedded inequities in our criminal justice system problematic for these types of criminals, or the generally rule-compliant person of color who gets busted for weed possession 2-3 times and ends up with a 10 year sentence for getting stoned?

 

He doesn't have anything to say, he just posts a video and peaces out

 

What exactly did OP have to say about his own topic?

 

If someone wants to start a legitimate discussion about the law, there are better ways than to post a video like that.

 

The OP didn't say anything.

 

I have reached the point where I do not even bother viewing your YouTube videos. If you want to make a serious point start linking to serious articles not cute videos intended more to entertain and generate clicks than as vehicles for serious discussion.

 

Can you (or anyone) link to another thread that he started on this topic?

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People who make a thread with just a YouTube video and no commentary of their own should be jailed without bail.

I'm assuming that's what you're posting about OP as I don't watch embedded videos.

 

What Has Happened in Other States Where Cash Bail Has Been Curtailed?

New York diminished its use of cash bail in 2019.

According to the New York City Comptroller, of the 48,000 people in March 2021 that were waiting at home for criminal cases to be resolved, 96% were not rearrested, and only 1% were rearrested for a violent felony offense. No More Cash Bail in Illinois? Here’s What We Know About the Changes Coming Soon – NBC Chicago

In March 2013, the Drug Policy Alliance, a nonprofit that promotes alternatives to the war on drugs, published a bombshell report about New Jersey’s jails. They found that 1,547 people — 12% of the entire jail population — were locked up solely because they couldn’t afford to post a bond of $2,500 or less. About 800 of those people, none of whom had been convicted of their crimes, couldn’t scrape together $500.


The cash bail system is premised on the risk of flight, said Krakora. The idea, he explained, is that if you have to pay money to get out of jail, and getting that money back is dependent on you coming back to court, then you’re more likely to show up for your hearings.

So, Krakora said, the cash bail system should only be based on a person’s risk of fleeing.

“But of course, that’s where the fiction lies, right?” Krakora said. “Because the judge is obviously going to set a higher bail if he or she is concerned that this person is likely to go out and shoot people or rob people or rape people if you let them out before trial. It has nothing to do with whether he’s going to come to court.”

In CT, cash bail still exists. In New Jersey, it's mostly gone. Why? (ctmirror.org)

 

No, it's not. How does paying money to get out of jail stop that "violent felon" from committing a crime? The answer is it doesn't. So we're left with two possibilities here:
1) You disagree with what I just said; or
2) You actually want to use bail as a means to impose pretrial detention.

If it's number one, feel free to make an argument as to why cash bail deters crime. If it's number two, judges are still allowed to order pretrial detention if they jump through the required hoops to justify a liberty deprivation. Using cash bail to effect that liberty deprivation without jumping through the hoops is simply a dishonest---and unconstitutional---means of ordering pretrial detention. It is a good thing that Illinois is eliminating that option.

In the United States of America, we have the presumption of innocence and the right to liberty. If you want to deprive a person who is presumed innocent of their right to liberty, you have to justify it by providing due process. Yet, dishonest prosecutors and judges don't like that extra work, so they intentionally set unaffordable bails to impose pretrial detention, instead of going through the process of obtaining a valid pretrial detention order.

We're now seeing courts and legislatures outlawing that practice in various jurisdictions. It's a good thing. In fact, Congress passed a statute disallowing that many years ago. In the federal courts, judges are not allowed to effect pretrial detention using unaffordable bail. They must issue a pretrial detention order and provide the due process required for one.

Illinois has the right of it here. You can read this article if you're actually curious about what this change means:
No More Cash Bail in Illinois? Here’s What We Know About the Changes Coming Soon – NBC Chicago
According to the text of the bill, defendants can be denied pretrial release if a hearing finds that they meet any of the following criteria:

-The defendant is charged with a “forcible felony” that comes with a mandatory sentence of imprisonment without probation upon conviction, and that the release of that defendant would constitute a threat to any person or the community at large.

“Forcible felonies” include “first degree murder, second degree murder, predatory criminal sexual assault, robbery, burglary, residential burglary, aggravated arson, arson, kidnapping, aggravated battery resulting in great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.”
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Thus, the people you referenced in your post can still be detained pretrial without bail if the state provides them due process.

You might ask why these changes are necessary? Pretrial detention has serious consequences. It costs people their jobs. It isolates them from their family and community. It subjects them to incarceration before being found guilty of a crime. And it is a strong predictor of conviction, but not for the reasons you think. Imposing pretrial incarceration limits people's ability to participate in their defense and pressures people to plead guilty in order to get out of jail. That leads to people pleading guilty for crimes they didn't commit. (In fact, numerous studies confirm that reality.)

 

I just don't get the nature of the responses. If the topic is distorted, it should be a quick and easy thing to point out. If it's so blatantly obviously distorted, then why bother with the topic at all? If it seems over the top, then report it, but taking the time to post some of these comments that we see above amounts to "stooping to the level" that one perceives to be below par. It has an effect of facilitating additional actions because one invokes an emotional response rather than a logical one (assuming that a claimed trolling effort is accurate).

On the topic, I think what is missing in the video above is that judges have discretion in predicting/assessing the perceived risk of letting the accused "free."

https://www.mystateline.com/news/il...winnebago-county-leaders-split-on-safe-t-act/

What I'd be concerned about is if that police officer speaking in the video opening is inaccurate, are we going to see police departments respond less because they don't like the legislation rather than because the legislation actually restricts them.

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Wait, so was this the first Dad Youtube post rich in content and thoughtful analysis?

 

No, There Is No 'Purge Law' In Illinois. Here Are The Facts About Ending Cash Bail

No More Cash Bail in Illinois? Here's What We Know About the Changes Coming Soon



Does Illinois' SAFE-T Act Make Some Violent Crimes Non-Detainable Before Trial?