The more things change, the more they stay the same: Liberal Indoctrination of Children

No, it is not a conflation. Those titles are not allowed on classroom shelves. They have been banned from classrooms, full stop.

As far as your contention that parents can just order it is quite the privileged answer.[/QUOTE]

 

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the book you mentioned is readily available to anyone that doesn’t feel entitled to a $9 book. If you think it’s a valuable lesson worth reading then choose to make $9 investment. Hardly privilege. And certainly not banned from consumption. Yes it’s on Amazon right now for $9.

 

What about students’ families that can’t afford that 9 dollars? What about students that are homeless?

In addition, these are books that were in teachers’ individual classroom libraries that they paid for with their own money. Schools don’t provide funds for that. God forbid we encourage kids to read

Maybe the words of a conservative white man will have more sway.

Don’t join the book burners,” don’t think you are going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don’t be afraid to go in your library and read every book.” Dwight Eisenhower

Book banners are NEVER on the right side of history. NEVER

 

Book banning (censorship) was never more apparent than during the Great Time of Derangement, I.e., Covid. Was that conservatives ?

 

Really not sure whether or not someone is homeless has anything to do with the availability of a book in the public square. You can present the argument that someone’s life would be enriched by the reading of that book. You can continue that argument and state you believe the community would be better served by its students reading and studying the book. But then your argument loses merit when you contend that the absence of public funding to pay for that book is then considered book banning as that’s simply not accurate. Feel free to spend $9 and pay it forward to someone. Feel free to start a book drive and give out copies of the book. As I stated, it’s readily available to anyone that wants it. I would contend you could very likely call the publisher and ask for 2000 copies and get a substantial discount off the $9. What you cannot do with any degree of honesty is call the book banned.

 

You’re more concerned about a kid reading a book than getting shot at school.

Again, these books were banned at school. No matter how you try to parse it, they were banned.

Book banners are never in the right

 

Well words do have meaning so in that case it can be a semantics based argument. Sure you can kick me out of your bookstore but I’m free to purchase that book next door. So in that case you did temporarily ban me from your store but you didn’t ban the book. If anything it displays the phony and misleading attempt to distort the word ban. Trying to make it a talking point and soundbite While lazily hoping people don’t use google and see your ‘banned’ book is available for $9 on Amazon and Used for half that….as well as being available at various retail bookstores. BTW. I’m a protected class so after refusing service at your bookstore and shelling out multiple thousands for retainer representation, you would then be compelled to sell me the book anyway.

 

Dup

 

I generally agree with the premise. People are afraid of what they don’t understand or view as a threat.

However, I doubt the parallels of sentiment will be confined to natural variation of humans.

In the next 100 years, we will likely see a super AI (maybe passing a Turing test) and cyber-implants that improve human capabilities. We will likely see it applied to animals first, which dramatically change how we see our planet and the food chain.

What is the line? If there is no line, than this phenomenon of fear based responses is just part of being human.

 

Not to digress too much, but we are all members of a protected class!

 

Books have been banned from teachers’ bookshelves. Not sure why you are having so much trouble understanding.

Just curious regarding the specific book in question, have you ever read it? Heard of it? I read A Tree Grows in Brooklyn in 1973 when I was in jr high. I own a copy and have read it multiple times. There is absolutely NOTHING objectionable in this book and for the life of me I can’t understand why it would be on a list of books unavailable to a student. Paradise Lost was first published in 1667 and also on the list of books BANNED from classroom bookshelves. This is what happens when you let the right wing inmates run the asylum.

To take YOUR argument a step further, why have libraries at all? Why have books available to students at school? After all, they can just buy them from Amazon

 

It's all the same types. The people who are supporting Desantis's war on gays are the same types who are quoted in the 1967 article about mixed race marriages.

 

You must not be aware of DeSantis's don't say gay law.

 

Yes I am aware of it. The fact that people fully accept gay people but they aren’t comfortable with it being openly discussed and advocated for in elementary schools are not mutually exclusive. Granted the whole law is creating misperceptions about what is going on and has other side effects and is being intentionally exploited by Desantis and other social conservatives.

 

There is a good British series call Humans that ponders the hypotheticals of AI beings, to what extent they should have rights, and the societal backlash. Unfortunately it only last 2 seasons and was cancelled but still worth the watch. On Amazon I think.

 

Interesting. Will check it out. AI rights will be a thing. We are close to seeing it. But before that I could see cyber-implants. Will cyber-implants create an “unfair” advantage and thus be “indoctrination” of children?

Edit: oh no, will Asimov’s I Robot be banned??