The Left is terrified of DeSantis and wants Trump for the nominee: Change my mind

Seriously? Comparing let's say DeSantis versus Gavin. DeSantis did close restaurants for about a month or so. CA was closed to inside dining for almost a year. That isn't really a comparison. Then we have the simple Disney Land versus Disney World. Disney World opened July 11, 2020 and Disney Land opened April 30th, 2021. So your "some governors kept them closed longer" is quite the statement.

 

Huh? We're talking about authoritarianism and you bring up a proposal that would require many steps including public input? That's not exactly what authoritarianism is.

 

Yet, as a moderate, I easily voted for Romney then. I think there’s many people like me that can’t stand the loud mouth finger pointers and screamers, and want a cool headed leader like a Romney.

 

Sorry Mitt Romney got a little nasty when his opposition was calling him a racist.

The point is you've already threw your rhetorical ace with guys like Romney and the Bush family and Dick Cheney.

So you've really got nothing left with guys like DeSantis and Trump. It's all just the same crap apart from Trump's personal life stuff.

 

Trump still owns the gop, lock, stock and barrel. Get back to us when that changes.

 

No need to apologize, I'm just offering the counter to the "Mitt rolled over and played dead" narrative.

 

If all you play is defense when they call you racist, authoritarian, evil, etc. you will always lose.

Doesn't mean you'll lose everyone. Some voters like you will see right through it, but you'll lose the country and control over time in the long run to greater degrees as time passes.

Character attacks beat policy appeals in politics every time. You ask most people why they didn't vote for Trump and it's not "because he lowered taxes on the rich" it's because "he's a racist and a complete piece of garbage."

 

If I recall they were rather effective when Trump took his shots at fellow Republicans in 2016. Ask Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. They may been childish but they were certainly effective.

 

Except Scott’s not being propped up by conservative media. They are all-in on DeSantis, so he will get the daily media sound bites. And Trump has his own infrastructure that for some reason that I will never understand uniquely has a cultist following.

Scott just doesn’t have the brand-name recognition to make a serious challenge. Maybe big money will jump onboard and carry him, there’s still time.

 

Relative to Trump and DeSantis, I would say that's pretty accurate.

If you think "death panels" is playing hardball, my Lord you are a softee.

 

I really don't understand why you guys give passes to Democrats for failed attempts at using their authority to tell everyone how to run their lives, as though they should get a pass because it didn't work.

So if the same thing came from an agency and not DeSantis, it's not authoritarianism?

 

I think we have now seen almost 16 years of character attack-rich campaigns, with policy far behind.

I’m sick of it. Others like me are sick of it. I want to know policy.

You know I can’t stand DeSantis’ policies because I believe they are hate-based, rights stripping “look at me” acts. I appreciate you are pro-DeSantis because you are tied of the Left’s cancel culture/me-too overplayed theme, so even though you might disagree with DeSantis,you favor it because something needs to be done to stop the left. And so we disagree there.

But I think many people are like me, in that they want to know what a candidate really stands for, how will they lead, how will they represent this Country - all of the Country and not just Party. Maybe this might be the election when we get back to political position and away from attack. But there is zero chance of that happening if a Trump or DeSantis are in the race.

 

It was, at least, grounded in reality. The Trump 2016 strategy of telling people you are going to "pay off the national debt in 4 years, cut taxes, get 7% GDP growth, replace obamacare with the greatest thing you've ever seen in your life, lock up Hillary, buy Greenland, root out all corruption, take away N. Korea nukes, build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it, get a better nuclear deal from Iran, etc., etc." ... that should only work once, then people should realize you are full of shit. Sad thing is, it looks like 60-70% of republicans don't care how much he lied to them.

 

A good performance in a debate in which he presents himself as a credible alternative to Trump and DeSantis is worth millions of dollars in ads. While money certainly helps, Jeb Bush, John Connally and Phil Gramm all raised a lot of money and it didn't really make any difference in the end.
From the 1996 campaign
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/apr/19/phil-gramm-leads-republican-pack-in-fund-raising/
The 2016 campaign
Jeb's shock-and-awe number
And the 1980 campaign.
CONNALLY IS LEADING FUND‐RAISING DRIVE (Published 1979)

 

Maybe so, but at least from the last cycle, from a debate performance, Kasich crushed Trump on stage, and Klobuchar beat all of the Dems on stage. They couldn’t make it in the race very long.

I hope you’re right, though. I’d love to see this election without either Trump or DeSantis making it very far.

 

I would say they both have about the same chances of winning for different reasons and none of them are particuarly palatable options, DeSantis would probably be more predictable and accountable to the GOP and its donors. Trump kinda does his own thing for his own benefit and makes himself the show. Ultimately you probably get about the same results because our political system is hostile to doing actual policy. So, pick your poison I guess.

 

Desantis pushed through a 6 week abortion ban. That alone killed his chances of winning a national election. I am not terrified at all

 

Because he governed well. He didn't have to do all of that to be popular.

 

Do you consider diversity training as dangerous as covid? The covid policies, while perhaps flawed, were attempts to mitigate the dangers of a deadly virus. Same for the cruise ship policy you responded to. What are the dangers of diversity training?