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The Left is terrified of DeSantis and wants Trump for the nominee: Change my mind

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Vindibudd, May 26, 2023.

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  1. GatorRade

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    I am not sure what I described can be confined to the space of “supposedly how good they are in personal life”. Trump mocked the disability of a member of the media in public. He publicly implied most first generation Mexican-Americans are rapists. He made countless terrible comments regarding his political opponents, from criticizing their looks to attacking their families. Based on my values, this kind of behavior is absolutely beneath the dignity of the office. I realize that many don’t share these values, but if Trump were the only candidate on the ballot, I’d simply leave the field blank, regardless of his politics.
     
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  2. danmanne65

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    One of my favorite things about Biden is he doesn’t attack us with an endless stream of vile. Did you read Biden’s last tweet? Neither did I. When was it?
     
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  3. RealGatorFan

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    Machine? More like moron. His campaign kickoff was a laughable adventure that Trump will use the entire primary. You get only one shot to impress when your announce your campaign, and DeSantis dropped the baton and kicked it into the stands.
     
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  4. AndyGator

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    Correct. Not only do they not share them, but put them in their personal values shed's a long time ago. :cool:
     
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  5. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Your favorite part of President Biden is that he is technologically retarded?
    Brilliant.
     
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  6. citygator

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    No, it's that he is not actually retarded like the last guy.
     
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  7. danmanne65

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    Goodness gracious we can tell determining cause and effect isn’t one of your skills.
     
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  8. jjgator55

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    I believe his last tweet was about how he and McCarthy reached a compromise to save the country from economic ruin. You know, Woke stuff like that.
     
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  9. danmanne65

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    I guess I could look it up but it’s not a big deal. Trump would send out fifty tweets a day. Biden’s staff will send out fifty tweets a year maybe?
     
  10. gator_lawyer

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    Last tweet on his POTUS account (as of now):


    Last tweet on his personal account (which is a retweet):


    Last non-retweet on his personal account:
     
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  11. ajoseph

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    One word puts an end to your defense … Lapedo
     
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  12. ajoseph

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    I can tell you with 100% actual fact that the cruise industry wanted the vax requirements because, amongst other reasons, there detailed and expensive studies demonstrated the vast majority of their passengers/customers demanded it before they would set foot on a ship. I think you need to remember that the cruiselines were amongst the hardest hit by Covid. They were literally grounded. They had to show their customers they were taking every measure to protect them while onboard. And in real time, vaccine mandates were a solution that would allow the ships to sail (you’ll remember that the federal government didn’t even want to allow them to sail, and DeSantis sued for the right to sail(he was angry, though, because the ships then needed the vaccine mandates to prove to the Feds that they were taking every precaution).

    In short, IF the cruise lines could have packed their ships AND been permitted to sail, without vaccine mandates, they would have.
     
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  13. ajoseph

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    Censorship is a form of compelled speech.
     
  14. AndyGator

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    Cruise ships were naturally made virus incubators. What fool would get on a cruise ship during a pandemic without some kind of protection. :confused:
     
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  15. ajoseph

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    I’m sure this is all arguments you’ve seen before, but the government has a right to mandate conduct for the public good. Examples: seatbelts, mandatory vaccinations to go to school (long before Covid), speed limits, illicit drugs.
     
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  16. ajoseph

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    Exactly correct. And yet, DeSantis tried to ground the ships even more after the industry came to the logical conclusion that their passengers demanded that safety. The frustration and red tape behind the scenes regarding the grounding of the cruise lines is epic.
     
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  17. ajoseph

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    The cruise lines that we’re discussing don’t market their ships to cruise to nowheres. The ship cannot let those people onboard, clear them through each country’s customs, and convince the Island that certain passengers won’t disembark. It is logistically untenable, forgetting all of the legal implications as to whether the ship is truly an international trip, which raises a wholly different set of laws that allow cruise ships to operate as they do.
     
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  18. Gator715

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    I think censorship is generally bad but I wouldn't call it "compelled speech." More like "compelled silence."
     
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  19. Gator715

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    I'm not arguing that the government cannot compel vaccines, I am arguing that the government can ban vaccine mandates.

    Doesn't mean they always can for either, it depends on how it's done, why it's done, and where it's done.
     
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    No surprise there.
     
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