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The Idea of a National Divorce/Splitting Up the Country

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by cflgator83, Mar 5, 2023.

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  1. docspor

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    BINGO! claiming personal victimhood gives me 5 across
     
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  2. cflgator83

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    CA would get to fully institute socialism. Universal basic income, national health insurance and guaranteed retirement would all be in their version of the constitution. It will come at the cost that there will be no free speech (hate speech laws will be a thing), restriction of freedom of movement (in the name of saving the environment) and probably 60-70% of your pay going to taxes. Police would be completely defunded. Christianity would be banned. But that is what they will want.

    FL and TX would get to fully institute theocracy. Where Christianity would determine their version of the constitution. There would be low taxes and freedom of speech and the ability to open carry would all be protected. But on social issues abortion would be illegal, gay marriage would be illegal and the LGBT crowd (whatever amount is left, hopefully most would have left the country) will be back in the closet. Alcohol and gambling would be limited again and all drugs would be illegal with very harsh fines and jail time. Police would be funded and given more autonomy (think of a Judge Dredd type situation). But that is what they will want.
     
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  3. docspor

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    so everyone's worse off. seems like a winner
     
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  4. gatorplank

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    Your analysis is way overexaggerated, and it misrepresents the nature of what I was doing. Pointing out the results of leftist ideology in that thread is what I was doing. Anticipating similar results is what I am doing in this thread. Is there anything hypocritical about that? Nope, there isn't. So, you are not being rational in your critiques.
     
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  5. l_boy

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    I think you’ve hit it. That’s kind of what states are for. States can and do have their own identity.

    I guess they think they shouldn’t be governed by anybody *on the other side* at any level. But once you realize the sides aren’t homogenous you are back at square one. Where does it leave me when I’m ruled by a pro life pro union catholic?
     
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  6. cflgator83

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    To liberals in the liberal country they would be better off. To conservatives in the conservative country they would be better off. This is why it would be incredibly important to move to the country most in line with your values and beliefs.
     
  7. GatorRade

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    I know, I am not very smart here, but to butcher one of my favorite movie quotes, I prefer pleasant.

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  8. cflgator83

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    The problem is the states have been stripped of almost any real power. The states haven't had real power since the Civil War. Honestly the states have essentially been reduced to nothing more than administrative areas.
     
  9. l_boy

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    So the dystopian scenario you’ve articulated above is supposed to convince me that this is the way to go?
     
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  10. mdgator05

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    Yeah, you were trying to tell those liberals that they are doing it all wrong in their own city (ignoring that you live in a far more dangerous city that you seem to think is safe). And in this thread, you are complaining about how they want to dominate you. How often do you think people in Austin are talking about the local governments of rural towns in Florida?

    Or, for another example, when I talk to people in New Orleans, I never hear about the many issues in governance in rural Louisiana. When I talk to people from rural Louisiana, they all have tons to say about New Orleans.
     
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  11. docspor

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    wait. just today you were espousing leftist ideology.
     
  12. l_boy

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    I wouldn’t want to live in either of those countries you’ve described, and I’m going to go on a limb and say most people wouldn’t either.
     
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    The Southeast and the West Coast countries would definitely be the extremes. The Rocky Mountain/Mountain West country would be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Next to no government but also very few regulations and laws. Almost everything would be legal. The Northeast country would be similar to the West Coast country but not quite as radical. Definitely the biggest union country though where unions would most likely rule all labor with an iron fist (definitely no right to work laws in the Northeast country). The Midwest country would probably be the most middle of the road and the one most like the U.S. currently.
     
  14. l_boy

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    So what power would these new countries gain that the states currently don’t have?
     
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    The new countries would genuinely be sovereign countries. U.S. law would no longer apply and the individual countries would create their own laws. The U.S. would cease to exist.

    In case you've forgotten that is how the U.S. was originally set up. The states were truly meant to be like their own sovereign countries with the Federal Government being very limited in scope. Sadly the states have essentially lost that power, the biggest loss of power coming after the Civil War. The states haven't been sovereign essentially since the Civil War.
     
  16. l_boy

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    So what exactly does this accomplish? You’ve created a scenario where 75% of the population has to move.

    So I take it all these countries will have to come up with new constitutions?
     
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    Yeah. Much of our ideological differences are more urban versus rural rather than regional. Biden won over 46% in Texas and Trump won over 45% in New Hampshire.
     
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    There are right and wrong ways to govern. Believing that there is a right way and a wrong way...that is not totalitarian or domination. That is simply having an opinion. You see what is so rich about this critique, is I'm the one siding with the OP here. I'm the one saying, "Let the blue coastal areas branch out on their own and be autonomous. Let them have their own country." That is the opposite of domination. So explain to me again how I am the one trying to dominate others here? You are not making any sense, and the conclusions you are synthesizing are huge unjustified leaps in logic. You are grasping at straws.
     
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  19. cflgator83

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    It would allow people to finally have the choice to be in an area to aligns with their values and beliefs.

    And yes all of these countries would be new countries. They would all have to set up new constitutions and new laws. However they want it. The U.S. would cease to exist. Heck if the West Coast country wants to install a Communist Dictator they could do it. If the Mountain West/Rocky Mountain country didn't want to have a leader at all, they could do it. That's the whole point, they would be their own country.
     
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  20. cflgator83

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    Exactly. This lets the majority of people essentially have more say in how they are governed. The blue coastal areas would no longer have to be bothered by flyover country. The south would no longer have to be bothered by the northeast. It lets everyone be in a situation where they are around like minded people who share their values and beliefs and live in a country that shares their values and beliefs.
     
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