The great population growth slowdown

I remember as a kid in the 50s we lived in Cocoa Beach and all our doctors were in Orlando. I remember driving from Cocoa to Orlando on hwy 50 and not seeing another vehicle for miles. I sorta miss those days.

 

And by making abortion illegal & making birth control illegal...look at that. Higher supply (unless women stop having sex & put razorblades inside them to ward off rapists) by force.

Anyway yeah it's not like we can't allow for more legal immigration that would be in the workforce NOW versus the future. Plus they'd be contributing to the tax base/Social Security base too.

 

If America needs more useless pricks. They could look here.

 

I have worked with some, and this belief in the their work ethic is misplaced. They are like everyone else. Some work hard and some are just there.

 

Why, this just can't be true! I've been told for years they are just allround better americans.

 

Or at a MAGA rally for the former president.

 

And I was told by the former president that a disproportionate percentage them of are rapists, murders, human traffickers and drug dealers.

 

If the concern is over people having kids that they don't have the time or financial resources to raise why are we (collectively) making it extremely difficult to have even early first term abortions or for that that matter opposing easy access to contraceptives? It's poor women who will be most effected by the anti-abortion laws in states like Texas, Alabama and Oklahoma just to name a few. Middle class and wealthy women will simply fly to a state where abortions are legal and accessible.

 

Last weekend getting the leaves off my roof.

 

There are exceptions of course. But I do notice any time we have a hurricane, there is a noticeable influx of guys speaking Spanish. It's not just because they are cheaper to sub - from my understanding, they work a lot faster, take less breaks, complain less, and are very good at what they do. That's also what I've heard about other contract work such as concrete.

 

This past year, our son and daughter in law who live near Lutz, had their dock rebuilt, a very expensive job. An almost all Hispanic crew did the work. Our daughter in law, who is also Hispanic, had to get on their ass due to them bs'ing around and loafing. She said the only ones actually doing the work were two white guys who just worked and did their jobs. She said to me "I know my peeps" and you have to stay on them to get the job done.

 

Interesting. Maybe it's not fair for me to generalize. I know there are both hard working and loafing people of every race and ethnicity. I guess I just feel like many people don't respect or appreciate Hispanic migrants/workers until they really need them (not saying that applies to you).

A few of my anecdotal stories: I recall after Hurricane Ivan, my country grandfather (who was a hard worker and had helped build my childhood home) was so impressed with the "Mexicans" who worked on his house and talked about how hard they worked and how they'd only take a break to eat their "little tamales."

I have a White friend who is super tough and pretty muscular tell me the Hispanic guys work circles around him on concrete jobs. Maybe it's because they are smaller and lighter; I do not question my friend's work ethic.

After Hurricane Sally, I was watching some workers (I could hear them yelling to each other in Spanish) at the house behind me. They took a short break or two but worked most of the day despite intermittent lightning that I thought was way too close to be safe.

On a different day, I went up to another house in my neighborhood since I was looking for a roofer. I had to explain in Spanish that I was looking for a roofer for my house. He called to his boss, and his boss got down the roof as fast as I've ever seen anyone, and when I asked him for a card, he literally sprinted to his truck to get it. I can't imagine getting off a roof and then sprinting to get a business card, but that's why I have a desk job. To be fair, I went back to my house and looked them up on DBPR and couldn't find a roofing license for that company so I wasn't going to use them.

 

As a Puerto Rican I'll say we're like everyone else. Some hardworking, some bums. Like everyone else *shrug*

 

This made me lol big time.

 

After reading your last post you don’t know how right you are.

 

So we know there are people who think our biggest problem is folks not having enough babies and that those who decide not to have kids are selfish and not doing their part to grow the population. I got into a rabbit hole last night on Antinatalist positions. They're not a monolithic group but basically take the position not only that the Earth is crowded enough given our resources but that that it's actually unethical/immoral for humans to procreate due to the inevitable pain, suffering, and death that all humans will experience.

One well known author is David Benatar, whom Sam Harris had on his podcast awhile back. Worth a listen, IMO. There are some interesting discussions to be had about negative utilitarianism, connections with Buddhist philosophy, and subjective versus objective views on the ethics of bringing someone into the world who didn't consent and could have a wide range of negative and positive experiences.

Personally, I tend to view creating more humans as ethically neutral - neither good nor bad. But these people make some interesting arguments if you're into philosophy. Am curious if anyone here has spent time looking into these arguments?

A starting point for anyone curious.

Antinatalism - Wikipedia

 

As long as she still lets you do your part than all is good!

 

More babies isn't exactly a good plan for growth. Look no further than my avatar and the first three minutes of the "documentary" it references.

 

Exactly.
I'll gladly take every Ukranian needing a home over the Banana Republicans at our southern border.
They are a nation of skilled, cultured and attractive people.

 

Emphasis on skilled. Meaning we should manage immigration policies on par with what pretty much every other country around the globe does.