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Trickster · Jul 22, 2022

fda92045 said: ↑

I answered your question. It becomes a human life when it leaves the womb. I haven't moved the goalposts once, nor has my argument been "shaken".
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Having watched my youngest, now 35, born, I have trouble with the notion that 10 seconds before she was born she wasn’t a human life. At some point a fetus does become a life. The debate for me is when. I think you’re being inflexible by not having any debate at all.

GCNumber7 · Jul 23, 2022

fda92045 said: ↑

I'm not willing to have a conversation with men who think they can legislate women bodies. If you think it is ok for people to call people who get abortions baby murderers, or its ok to call people who fight against oppressive regimes "the mob" or "woke" then you are the problem. People who hold those views don't deserve flexibility. I support his right to not believe in abortion, he needs to support others right to have access to resources to get one --> Agree to disagree. Which is what I was calling out in his first post and used RVW as an example, because he very clearly didn't understand the concept of agree to disagree.

Or I can play your game: Sit in the middle like you are so everyone likes them or sees them as rational. People like you are the problem. You're playing the "like me" game while RVW just got overturned. Whats next? You should be angry.

A fetus isn't a baby, a newborn is a baby and that is when it exits the womb. If said poster wants to believe a baby is in the first, second or third trimester, that is his right and he can live without getting an abortion. He doesn't get to use his belief system to support or help others pass laws that don't allow people to have that resource, or to call people baby murderers.

My attitude is far from extreme. I'm willing to listen and discuss, but not with people who come out swinging with hot takes like "the mob" or acting like the social issues that are the topic of multiple protests aren't legitimate and saying things like they need to agree to disagree. We agree to disagree over what type of bread or music we like/dislike, not the legality of abortion, or LGBTQ rights, or common sense gun laws, or police brutality etc.
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You are blind to your own extremism, or even worse, trying to justify it by claiming moderate positions are the problem. Wake up, you are the problem.

The notion the a baby is not a human life at 9 months, just because they haven’t been delivered yet is not only a fringe position, it’s gross and inhuman.

littlebluelw · Jul 23, 2022

fda92045 said: ↑

I answered your question. It becomes a human life when it leaves the womb. I haven't moved the goalposts once, nor has my argument been "shaken".
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Yet in post 34 you refer to an unborn as a baby. You’re conflicted and it shows.

g8trjax · Jul 23, 2022

Abortion in red states will get sorted out as it should, at the ballot box.

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