The GENIUS Of Tesla's Next GEN Motors!

Stock is down today and for the week…

 

We have at least one post about "game changing" battery tech a month, here. Hopefully someday it pays off.

Telsa is losing it's edge, though. There are a bunch of EVs set to come out in 2024 that will be in the $25-30K range, including a decent sized Chevy Equinox SUV that starts at $30K. I was interested in Tesla at one point, but their service model seems to be very lacking. Lots of stories on the internet about people who cant their Tesla fixed. I can't have that. I think I'd rather buy a US car, or a Toyota, Honda, Hyundia that has dealerships nearby.

 

It's just a shame that Teslas are garbage cars.

 

They are bad, especially for the premium price, but IMO all of that is fixable. EV's in general are poor performers. But hybrids are the best. And the usual suspects are still the best also. Toyota, Lexus, BMW, Mazda, Honda, etc. The same brands that actually make it a priority to produce reliable vehicles do exactly that, even with more complex builds like hybrids.

Aside from boilerplate lip service, Tesla has never pretended to be about making the vehicles reliable. In fact, they almost flaunt the notion that they sell these vehicles at six figures with everyone knowing they are going to have issues from mundane poor QC habits like fit and finish to more exotic innovation problems like software. Customers seem to be willing to pay for the novelty of the brand, and that isn't nothing. All sorts of companies make a mint doing this same thing, like Bose or Monster Cable (although the latter seems to finally circling the drain.)

The bloom is off the rose for me, especially in the NOVA area. Tesla's everywhere. There is no novelty anymore, in my mind. Especially now that many manufacturers will almost assuredly be producing better value propositions in the short term. I'd rather spend that money on a much nicer and higher-quality Lexus.

 

Niron magnetics is currently privately held. Sounds fruitful.

 

I’m not following these two statements. Can you elaborate what you mean?

 

I agree about hybrids. Something like a plug in SUV hybrid that gets50-100 miles off a charge before the hybrid mode kicks is what I really want. Best of both worlds, where the electric gets you through a normal day, and you have hybrid mode for long trips without stopping to charge. The Rav4 Prime gets 42 miles off a charge, not quite there, but getting close. Got to remember, too, that 42 miles is probably flat roads with the A/C off ...

 

Kia’s EV6 GT has 576hp! For 60K! Sure it’s a Kia but it looks - err interesting on the outside and not bad on the inside. The review said he only got 220 miles but he had the pedal floored most of the time meanwhile I’d take the BMW i4 M50 over any Tesla including the S

 

It think I said in last month's thread I like the way the Mustang EV looks. Maybe I should supplement my gas guzzling 17MPG SUV (wind aided) with and EV?

 

Not great I admit but it was driven like a mule and hey it’s a Kia. Pretty much all the German cars match Tesla on range and I assume Kia and especially Hyundai will soon. American makers need to get their stuff together. not that I’d buy an American sedan but I don’t think even Cadillac makes one.

 

Looks like Tesla has been caught manufacturing some lies into its cars. Specifically, regarding the range of the battery. Tesla inflated the range on their cars, and then had the trip computer in the car continue with that lie, only switching to a realistic range when the battery reached half. Some customers started taking their vehicles in for service when they noticed the sudden drop, and they were met with a "Diversion Team" from Tesla to divert their attention from the problem.

Reminds me a bit of the Volkswagen controversy, except that instead of deceiving the U.S. government (EPA), Tesla is deceiving its consumers.

Tesla lands in hot water after new report alleges the company told a huge, long-term lie about its vehicles

 

Tesla is a technology company that manufactures cars.

In several important respects they are years ahead of their competition: charging infrastructure, battery technology, electric motor technology and its revolutionary new vehicle assembly system. Unfortunately, their lack of long term experience in manufacturing cars is evidenced in their very spotty quality control, availability of repair parts and certain aspects of their customer service.

My two daily drivers are hybrids (Lexus and Ford) and they are my 3rd and 4th hybrids. I like the technology, the enhanced fuel economy and near-zero emissions. I am considering replacing one with an EV, but am unlikely to buy a Tesla since Elon has decided to become a MAGA (Make Americans Get Another brand) whackjob.

 

308 mile range.
2024 Cadillac Lyriq Review, Pricing, and Specs

 

Take a peek at the Taycan. Way more fun to drive

Rivian, Lucid, and Polstar are interesting. Kia and Hyundai are so so.

look out for Hydrogen and Toyotas.

there are 1,000s of people at Tesla who are not “Republican’ts” who are building in America.

CyberTruck will be awesome. On the list!

 

OT: Doug is one of the best YouTube content creators.

 

Responding to a bunch of posts via yours.

No fan of MagaElon, but I consider Tesla separate. Agree that its a tech company and I said as much years ago on these boards. In fact, my stated expiration date is getting close and they’ll likely go past it. I too thought they’d just sell the things they do right and stop making mediocre cars. That’s still likely. But props to Elon for not just advancing the ball, Tesla actually changed everything, even if it was largely bogus like $30K cars for the masses. That was always an Elon Lie, but that predates the Twitter madness.

Actual car makers will learn/steal/commit and Teslas will be DeLoreans.

Also agree about the uninspired interiors. The SUV does have better appointments and also “dances.” But after about maybe three viewings the Cool Factor is over. It is just a crazy expensive toy with the same defects, including fit and finish.

The new Silverado is a heat check, IMO. Best selling truck ever (including the GMC equivalent), it seems like a legit effort (haven’t seen one myself), and the ICE is almost a premium buy anyway. I had a 2000 and drive it for 17 years, literally until the wheels feel off (undercarriage was decimated by VA winter salt roads, wheel bearing.) Swore off trucks altogether and bought a Cruze. I get 40 MPG in as-bad-as-it-gets NOVA. My best is 68 MPG (for a 50 mile stretch.)

Not only has this Cruze been rock solid, it is also crazy sweet inside. I have the turbo LT. The lag is no Porsche, but it gets on that azz when you need it on 66 or 95. It’s a 2017 and is almost “luxurious.” Smooth as silk and looks like sci-fi inside. Knock on wood.

But I would consider the Silverado if it’s for real and has a turning radius of less than a Can’t Park At Costco.