The Fall of Minneapolis

I'll get to watching this documentary right after I finish 2000 mules.

 

Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd after Floyd went completely non responsive; he wasn't moving and had stopped speaking. There was an off-duty firefighter there telling Chauvin the man needed help. One of the other officers said that he wasn't detecting a pulse. The jujitsu practitioner was calling out the cops, too. There was a training material slide that was kept out of evidence (on the basis that Chauvin hadn't received that training), and even that slide apparently included the instruction that suspects should be moved on their side to prevent positional asphyxia. I thought Chauvin might get manslaughter, but it's pretty easy to forget how bad the facts were.

 

I was taught the choke hold in the police academy back in 1977. It worked well, especially if someone was jacked up and their heart was racing. The hold I learned allowed the person to breathe but cut off the carotid artery blood flow to the brain resulting in fainting. We used to choke each other out in the academy. My instructors wanted each of us to know what it felt like being in the hold and losing consciousness. Looking back I think that was a bad idea.

HOWEVER, I was taught to release the hold immediately after the person went limp. If not, the cutting off the blood flow to the brain could kill or seriously injure.

The choke hold was eventually banned when abused by police as it occasionally resulted in death. The culprit was keeping the hold too long or not applying it properly.

When I think of the knee on the neck, I see where it can be misused like the choke hold. I was also thought to place my knee on the neck when a person is down, resisting, and not restrained. I don’t remember any incidences where anyone was hurt by the knee on the neck. The knee on the neck is a common in police work.

 

This is why the jury system can at times be terrifying. There is always the potential someone like this can slip their way through voir dire and actually get to sit on a jury. A lot of the voir dire questions in criminal cases are fairly routine and it doesn't take a rocket scientist very long to figure out how to answer the questions if they want to be excused or if they want to stay on the panel after watching a few jury selections on YouTube or court TV shows. Then you're stuck with that person unless they say something stupid enough during court recesses to get them excused.

No reasonable person of even below average perception can watch the actual videos and conclude Chauvin's knee was on the back of Floyd's neck. Floyd was on his stomach, but his head was CLEARLY turned to the right...his left ear was on the ground. Police guidelines forbade the use of that restraint unless the person was actively resisting and for good reason...it can be a lethal restraint.

The OP, in an attempt to justify his clearly erroneous conclusions, wants to divert attention from Chauvin's knee to Floyd's character, "....I will almost guarantee Floyd had little to no love for his poor dead mother." Where the hell does that come from and what the hell does that have to do with Chauvin's knee?? What does a claim of being shot by the police a year earlier, even if false, have to do with Chauvin's knee?

There are always difficult conversations to have with a client prior to a jury trial. "I will try to pick the best 6 jurors out of the group they bring in, as will the state. I have absolutely no control, however, over the group they bring in. We could be picking from a panel of thoughtful, truthful people who will consider all the evidence, accept the law given to them by the judge and apply it to the facts as they decide them them to be or we could get some people with a real agenda just waiting for on opportunity to make some point in the criminal justice system."

Reading the OP's posts should be a wake up call to lawyers everywhere to proceed with jury selection with great caution and to be vigilant and perceptive to even little signs that someone in that panel might not be what they initially appear to be.

 

We will probably get a forth thread soon, someone asking how to become Chauvin's prison wife....

 

What is interesting here is how St. Floyd was canonized and the left went into shambles and literally destroyed entire cities and set the world on fire after his death. No one goes into shambles like Democrats and progressives do….well maybe except for Muslims. More people unnecessarily died beyond Floyd because of how bad those shambles were.

Just about everyone I know considers Derek Chauvin culpable of something on some level. No one I know considers the man a hero. At best people look at him as a man that failed to do his job. There are no heroes in this story. There is only tragedy.

 

The idea that Chauvin wanted to murder Floyd...on camera...with several bystanders, with a multicultural crew isn't constructive to fixing the root of the problem. Poor technique utilized from a complacent and burned out cop who may or may not been racist but almost certainly used prejudice to guide his actions.

"If you're yelling you're breathing" is a very common phrase heard in policing and EMS.

Where Chauvin's actions went indefensible is when Floyd was secured and then worse than that is when he lost consciousness. Inexcusable and I don't have any remorse for the guy but ascribing murderous intent is another story.

 

Righties have been assassinating Floyd’s character in an attempt to push their “Well he was a scumbag who deserved it” narrative. The expected and usual behavior from that contingent.

 

Good post. juries when deliberating should use the evidence presented in court. Not disregard it and then describe an hour long YouTube video they watched of some guy from his basement discussing a conspiracy theory.

 

I can think of another contingent that goes into shambles when they don’t get their way…

 

The guy at the front with his hoodie down kind of looks like this guy.

 

floyd definitely had a criminal history. But appears over last few years of his life he was trying to turn himself around and more involved with his church.

“After his release, Floyd became more involved with Resurrection Houston, a Christian church and ministry, where he mentored young men and posted anti-violence videos to social media. He delivered meals to senior citizens and volunteered with other projects, such as the Angel By Nature Foundation. Later, Floyd became involved with a ministry that brought men from the Third Ward to Minnesota in a church-work program with drug rehabilitation and job placement services.”

For George Floyd, a complicated life and consequential death

George Floyd - Wikipedia

 

Maga thinks j6 were actors. Nutty.

 

I think bootlickers and assorted authority lovers just want their own martyr, Chauvin doesn't have to be a 'hero' to serve that purpose. He becomes a victim of the system, a bizarro version of Floyd, basically. The whole point is who you extend empathy to, in this case, its the guy who killed someone, not the dead man. Just another case of the right copying the left they claim to be nothing like.

 

Agree with you here. Of course, Chauvin was convicted of unintentional second degree felony murder (and two other charges). The prosecution didn't have to prove Chauvin had the specific intent to murder under that statute. If there had been such evidence, Chauvin presumably would have been charged with first degree murder, which he was not.

 

I have never identified as MAGA. I don’t want Trump to be the next POTUS.

 

FWIW if you zoom in real close on that photo and look at how worn the hoodie is and then compare to the Twitter video…that is probably the same guy. That guy confessed to being paid to protest and he said he was not the only one. It was a large organized operation.

 

He also looks like one of the lefties you claimed destroyed cities. Oops!

 

I thought they were tourists.