The cowering republicans

Five years ago, people were appalled by the way Trump treated immigrants. Biden capitalized on that as part of his platform. Now, he's angling for a law that will give the Executive more power to mistreat immigrants and undermine the asylum process. It's a terrible law and completely inconsistent with Biden's campaign promises.

No, Donald Trump doesn't. Trump dislikes the bill because he doesn't want Biden getting credit. You know who does agree with me? Many of the leading experts on immigration law on the liberal and progressive side of the spectrum.

This isn't compromise. This is giving the Republicans what they want. Compromise would require Democrats getting what we want, such as status for the Dreamers. Betraying the party's values on immigration isn't going to do much for Biden's reelection chances.

Give them resources then. Do what Trump did with his stupid border fence. Declare an emergency and then redirect funds or military equipment to Ukraine.

 

Totally agree. I think there is a space between being an anti immigration racist and an open borders advocate. Immigration is a good thing, but like anything there needs to be a logical process. The current process is non sensical. You step foot in the country, anywhere, illegally and claim asylum and you’re in, for a while, and whether you show up for a future hearing is on your honor.

 

Biden adapted to the circumstances and the will of the electorate. Unlike you, most people don’t support open borders.

Politics and progress is also about compromise. Two sides yelling at each other claiming moral superiority doesn’t accomplish anything.

 

Unlike you, I actually know what "open borders" means and am aware of how punitive Biden's border policy has been. I support what Biden campaigned on: treating people humanely and upholding our asylum obligations while securing the borders to the best of our ability.

This isn't progress or compromise. This is giving the Republicans what they want. As I said before, just because something is bipartisan doesn't make it good.

 

Great plan. You should be in foreign policy.

 

Bye. Sorry you don't like the takes of somebody who lived on the border, cares deeply about this issue, and knows the ins and outs of immigration law and policy better than a lot of folks.

 

What a ridiculous complaint. You hand out negative ratings all the time, including on one of my posts in this thread before I gave you a c'mon man. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

 

I have a friend who works for the DoD, his area of work is nuclear hardening of facilities. When new people find out what he does for work they always ask him what they should do in case of a nuclear war, he always gives them the same answer. "I'm going to start moving towards ground zero so I don't have to live through the rest of it"

 

I have heard versions of that many times. Jeffrey Lewis tried to describe it in this book based upon his deep study of the after effects of Hiroshima and Nagasaki



The 2020 Commission Report on the North Korean Nuclear Attacks Against the United States - Wikipedia

 

That was the conclusion of this book. He went through since declassified Nuclear Posture Reviews for every new administration that he could legally review. The universal conclusion from most Presidents is that nuclear war was madness. JFK thought about reducing our arsenal to 5 warheads on the theory that they could inflict more damage than any adversary could ever contemplate and would never rationally risk

 

Kruschev was correct: the survivors will envy the dead. We can only hope that humanity is never stupid enough to commit what amounts to global suicide.

 

Getting this thread back on track.

I just watched this Youtube video which I found very informative.

For example, many say that the immigrants should do it by the rules, and then they would be ok with them immigrating. Turns out for pretty much everyone coming to our southern border, there is no way for low skill labors to get in, or even get a green card.

The Dem who does most of the speaking is very good in my book. I would vote for her in a second if she was in my district.

I really recommend the Pubs to watch it with an open mind. Ignore any partisan cracks, but just digest the facts.

 

Did not watch the video, but I agree with your description of the lack of legal avenues.

Katie Porter is pictured. She is running in the Dem primary to replace Diane Feinstein in the Senate. I like her, but like Adam Schiff more.

 

It’s a rather circular argument. There’s no path now because farmers and others can get illegal immigrants at below market rates. Tighten up the border and they would have to create a decent visa program.

 

I wish I believed that, but our history shows that immigration formal legislation (as opposed to actual enforcement) is almost never driven by economics, other than the opposite, i.e. a growing economy after an era of progressive legal change, mid-20s and mid-60s, leads to nativist restrictions through legislation. If you are saying that an economic contraction might cause more openness to legal immigration, that makes some sense, but that is a heavy price

 

I'm a big fan of Schiff too. He wasn't afraid to call Trump out for his crap.

 

Who is "they" and have you seen how our government functions? Things that people think "have" to get done routinely don't get done lol. Also the border will never be sufficiently 'tightened' because this isnt really an economically driven issue at all. All we've done as a country for decades is cede the border issue to fence builders, nativists and racists, and it got us Trump and people calling our borders "open."

 

You should be happy about Trump tanking this bill then, just like Obama should thank his lucky starts the Republicans tanked the so-called "grand bargain." Generally speaking alienating your own voters, betraying your campaign promises and completely folding to the other party without anything to show for it is not good electoral politics!

 

I am saying when all of MGTs districts farmers tell her they’re gonna go out of business, she will find a solution.

but the more immediate suggestion was that right now everyone benefits from the laws as they are, which is why there has t been a push by anyone. Dems don’t want an air tight border, rural republicans like the labor, so everyone yells about it but does nothing.