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The closing of our minds

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorFanCF, Feb 17, 2024.

  1. GatorFanCF

    GatorFanCF Premium Member

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    My 2 cents: if someone asks you then typically you accommodate. If some group demands you speak/think a certain way you're likely to resist.
    Not unlike Congress: everyone thinks Congress is a bunch of buffoons but is okay with their Congressperson.
     
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    I'll bite. If "having an open mind" = challenging the status quo and looking at something that is routinely accepted in a different way (and you can argue that is not what it means); then, wouldn't questioning the validity of an election be the "open minded" path and those who shut down any dialog about it be those with a "closed mind."? Or, is "having an open mind" simply mean that you agree with Leftist ideology and you're an apostate if you don't follow along dutifully?

    Do I think Trump won the election? No. Do I think the election was clean and accurate? No again. There were creatively unusual efforts by the Left (i.e. Zuckerberg) in key states and precincts. Did they/he do anything illegal? I don't believe so; and, if he wants to spend his millions/billions electing those on the Left he's free to do so (but please don't lecture the Right on buying elections). Then, there were the switcheroos on how long voting was available and how voting could be, would be done that were not consistent with the law - judges saying "oh, this and this is okay" when state law says only the legislative body can change election law. So, I believe the counted votes showed Biden won; and, at the same time I am not 100% certain that all the votes counted were fairly and legally cast (within the margin for accidental human error).
     
  3. mikemcd810

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    You think those are the only two options? You generally treat people with respect while also respecting their beliefs and culture. It's really not hard....at all.
     
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  4. GatorFanCF

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    No - nowhere did I say "these are the only two options" - it's your projection that reads that conclusion and a straw man question that follows.
    It was an example. One. Example. If you think DEI and terms like "cultural appropriation" are creations of people who want to live in harmony, peace and love you're being naive.
     
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  5. mikemcd810

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    Ok fine but my point is that it's really not that hard to navigate around DEI and people's pronouns if that's what you want. Doesn't even take any effort at all. All you have to do is not outwardly be an ahole to people and you'll be perfectly fine. It's just really not a scary, confusing world to navigate these days like it seems so many people want us to believe.
     
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  6. WarDamnGator

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    LMAO… I had no idea that being “open minded” means believing and defending dumb conspiracy theories. I mean, at some point there has to be a distinction between being open minded and being a straight up sucker…
     
  7. GatorFanCF

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    Ah, yes, and now we get to the derision without any support. We have now seen the "open mind" of the Left: ridicule and dismiss what you do not like. Label it "dumb." It may be incredibly dumb; however, you offer no rebuttable to the fact that several key states and precincts were targeted with loads of money and judges allowed changes to election processes that were not changed by the legislatures, as state law prescribes. No - it's just "LOL, how silly to believe such nonsense" but no substance to offer. Thanks.
     
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  8. WarDamnGator

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    That part there about "judges allowing it" seems fit within the definition of "legal" in my closed mind. But I'm sure a more open-minded person can imagine how state supreme courts ruling it's legal somehow makes the whole thing an illegal steal ... am I doing this right?
     
  9. gatorchamps960608

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    Call me closed minded all you want, but if you are pushing that JFK, Jr. or Sr. will be the VP a year from now, I'm not entertaining much of any of your opinions on any topic.
     
  10. l_boy

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    There is no doubt that there is a strand of left wing identity politics that is toxic. The main debate is how pervasive it is. My perception is it is a problem, but it is still a minority on the left, and we are starting to see pushback, not only from the right but also from centrists and the left.

    The example of the old lady is absolutely awful. The charity is getting a lot of push back and even losing donors. There does seem to be a corrective mechanism in place. (If I were asked to put my pronouns on an email footer, I don’t know, but my inclination is I would not do it, or perhaps I’d put something that is obviously bizarre)

    The racial bias example is bad, but it was 8 years ago and has been thoroughly discussed.

    I am of the philosophy articulated by Charlie Sykes that left wing identity politics is a cancer, but MAGA is a heart attack.
     
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  11. slayerxing

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    if you make a specific case we could go through the process of offering rebuttal but you haven’t done that. You’ve made some broad accusations without offering any specifics and certainly no proof. It would be like me saying “while there were a few precincts that had pandemic era voting stuff overturned or changed by the respective states, after several years of searching no evidence was ever found that indicates the election was illegally manipulated or stolen.” Given that, in the absence of specific accusations from you, it’s kinda pointless to engage.
     
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  12. mdgator05

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    I mean, didn't both campaigns target several key states and precincts with loads of money? Isn't that what a campaign is supposed to do? If you want to raise a specific objection, raise it. But targeting key states is what a campaign is supposed to do in a system that only cares about the votes of a few people (like our system does due to the electoral college).
     
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    Didn't Republicans invent a candidate in Florida. I mean, almost all of the illegal activity/ corruption last election was perpetrated by the Republi-ban.
     
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  14. Trickster

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    Terrific!!
     
  15. Trickster

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    I'm willing to bet you didn't open your mind and got blasted for it.
     
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