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The Climate Change story told by ice cores...

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Gatorrick22, May 8, 2023.

  1. Gatorrick22

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    The question is how has "climate change" effected you or anyone you know? Some people here are blaming it on sea levels rising when all that is really happening is water/wave erosion on some coastlines... all this while other coat-lines, as viewed and compared though historical pictures, have remained the same for of 150 years in some cases. There is also tectonic plates moving causing subduction too.

    I am far more worried about global deforestation, and the millions of tons of plastic pollution being dumped in the oceans through filthy rivers all over the world.

    To me those are the real climate and environmental crises we face today.

    And the deforestation does effect rainfall in certain areas. Those felled trees are no longer there to control flooding.

    We have to stop killing our rainforests and stop cutting down our trees to balance out our environment... and help normalize our climate.

    The more trees on Earth the more excess CO2 gets turning into human needing Oxygen for us to breath.
     
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  2. littlebluelw

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    The timber industry is renewable. They harvest and replant. Not speaking for Rick, but deforestation in primarily the Amazon basin is to what I think he was referring.
     
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  3. Gatorrick22

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    In Borneo and many other rainforests are being decimated too.
     
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  4. Gatorrick22

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    Much of the timber being felled around the world is not being replanted, unlike here and in Canada.
     
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    True but that’s not really the ‘timber industry’ That’s clearing and using the land for other purposes which I agree is harmful
     
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    “Turn or burn!”
    — Christian fundies of yesteryear —

    “Turn or burn!”
    — climate fanatics of today —
     
  7. danmanne65

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    Nobody was saying that man has caused all climate change. Our activities are driving the warming that is occurring now though.
     
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    ^ Is it driving the cooling too ? It’s been uncharacteristically cool this spring in Charlotte.
     
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    Given that Exxon did their research without any political motives and their predictions on what their products impacte would have on global climate in 1970s is more accurate than current “ so-called politically motivated” scientists. I would say the scientists in your video just found a natural version that took 1,000s of years of what we have accomplished in 100. We know that CO2 wiped out 93+% of life on earth during the great die off. There are likley 1000s of examples of natural episodes of temp increases and decreases over a billion years. I’ll bet they haven’t found an example that only took 100 years. Lastly; who the hell wants the output from fossil fuels in their brain and life support system. Most recent study found that diesel fumes negatively impact cognition with in minutes of exposure. The crap should be illegal in that note alone. It’s poison to humans.

    I am sure that Exxon falsified data that would reduce the value of their assets by 100s of billions. Companies always do that cause they are so concerned about our health over their bottom line. Lol

    Projections created internally by ExxonMobil starting in the late 1970s on the impact of fossil fuels on climate change were very accurate, even surpassing those of some academic and governmental scientists, according to an analysis published Thursday in Scienceby a team of Harvard-led researchers. Despite those forecasts, team leaders say, the multinational energy giant continued to sow doubt about the gathering crisis.

    In “Assessing ExxonMobil’s Global Warming Projections,” researchers from Harvard and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research show for the first time the accuracy of previously unreported forecasts created by company scientists from 1977 through 2003. The Harvard team discovered that Exxon researchers created a series of remarkably reliable models and analyses projecting global warming from carbon dioxide emissions over the coming decades. Specifically, Exxon projected that fossil fuel emissions would lead to 0.20 degrees Celsius of global warming per decade, with a margin of error of 0.04 degrees — a trend that has been proven largely accurate.
     
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  10. l_boy

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    This is fascinating. I didn’t know about this.

    Exxon scientists predicted global warming with ‘shocking skill and accuracy,’ Harvard researchers say

    They started predicting this with reasonable accuracy over 40 years ago. This should be game, set match on this whole silly debate.
     
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    Yeah, the predictive models have been quite accurate in their predictions. A number of studies have been run validating old models with now observed data. They are largely very accurate without systematic biases.
     
  13. Gatorrick22

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    That's a very nice supposition... Now It is QUITE obvious that you did NOT watch the video that I linked. The OLD "information" that you posted is obsolete, and you need to see what scientists TODAY are finding out about this past global warming causation... or at least correlation. This all happened before the human industrial revolution.

    Nothing you linked proves your assertion that "93%" of life on Earth was "wiped out" because of CO2 levels... That is simply you espousing it without facts to back it up.

    And one more thing 1970's "science" regarding global warming and CO2 levels are prehistoric in terms of the quality of ACCURACY.

    You don't link scientific articles, and you use words like "likely" to "prove" scientific facts... as if likely is factual scientific proof agreed upon thought peer reviewed scientific review... articles.

    And you don't link these old, and possibly, already debunked Harvard review.

    By the way, 10 years ago we ended up discussing this several months long debate with facts from NASA... which I trust more than Harvard, a schools for hire. $$$$$.

    Link what you stated so we can get a better understanding of the veracity of your links.
     
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