The battle for new college

You are going to have to explain that one in detail because that is a hell of a claim lol. Conservatives have been saying universities were hotbeds of radicalism or full of commies well before the 1960s or the civil rights era.

 

Would you opine that UF might be larger than one of its 6 central values?
Diversity, Equity & Inclusion

At the University of Florida, inclusion is one of our six central values and it is the connective tissue that unites all our core values.

 

Yet they have become much more radically progressive since then.

 

You said New College was ranked high before DEI was a thing.

I said, "then they have nothing to worry about."

You said I don't understand what New College is all about.

I show you New College's website advertising that DEI is a central part of their identity, and you change the conversation to the University of Florida and some variation of: "yes DEI is a thing, but it's a good thing."

It's a really annoying liberal trend where someone you're talking with denies that something is happening. You show them damning evidence of that thing happening and they say "well, it's a good thing it's happening."

 

Yeah, that's not true either (you really think universities are more 'radical' now than at the height of SDS and the student movements of the 60s and 70s?) and you still haven't explained what legislation that was enacted that made colleges so liberal.

 

An argument could be made that universities should be progressive and strive for improvement and change as part of their service to the state and country.

 

Most people didn't know who John Money was 20 years ago.

Most academics who knew him probably thought he was nuts.

Now, mainstream academia has for all intents and purposes adopted Money's view on gender and gender identity. A guy who conducted gender experiments on twin children, one of which ultimately died of a drug overdose, the other committed suicide.

 

I know nothing about New College now days but growing up in the Bradenton/Sarasota area in the 60s & 70s just the name New College brings a smile to my face. To me it was a place for locals to pick up hippie chicks.

 

DEI is not the reason for their existence just as it is not for UF - a university you probably support. My point.

 

I would say that universities have become far more integrated into the capitalist economy and all that it entails vs 50-60 years ago

 

No argument.

 

Again, from their website:

 

"Change" is not synonymous with "good" or "improve."

Politicians use the term "progressive" in spite of any "lack of progress" such policies may entail.

 

Title IX dates to 1972, Reagan was punching hippies at Berkeley in 1969, reacting to the Free Speech movement which took off in 1964. Seems like you could make a better case that campus radicalism died down after the passage of Title IX and the Education Amendments in '72.

 

current head of the attack on woke in public schools as Florida Education Commissioner? that guy?

 

Yeah? Good luck with that.

If you took a time machine, filled it with hippies, and transported the hippies to a college in 2023... and they saw how things are now, they'd probably think we're crazy.

 

Yeah, improvement means going back to the old way of doing things. That’s how the US has led the world for over a century.

 

It certainly doesn't mean crapping on what caused humanity to advance over the course of hundreds, sometimes even thousands of years under this arrogant mentality of "we know better now. We're above that."

 

Seems pretty obvious, there hasnt been any kind of mass student movement since the late 1960s/early 70s. College is also a lot more expensive now vs. 1972, so it tends to keep less well to do people out, the type radical politics might appeal to more. Lets also not forget until very recently (like 2018), Republicans were the party of college grads. Whatever indoctrination happening on campus didn't even work! I think Donald Trump was more effective at turning college graduates into voting Democrats than any legislative action ever taken!