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Texas: Where healthcare just means more (if you’re a man)

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by swampbabe, Jan 3, 2024.

  1. AzCatFan

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    Tell me how the law prevented Zurakowski from complications that left her infertile. Or how the law saved Glick's life.
     
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  2. Gator715

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    You apparently know nothing of the meaning of the word, "democracy."
     
  3. QGator2414

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    Lecture us on how Texas Law and the Supreme Court Decision prevents a Mother from getting an abortion if her long term health or life is in jeopardy…

    YOU CANNOT!

    Keep puffing that little chest out as I have provided the Law and Decision. You helped with providing the earlier Law that said the same basic thing.

    There is a reason you keep attacking me instead of actually citing the Law and Decision to make a point. Because the only point you can make confirms my position.

    It speaks volumes when a “lawyer” can’t argue their position. I get we disagree on the issue. But you are incapable of showing a Mother in Texas is not able to get an abortion if her long term health or life is in jeopardy.

    Still waiting for the “lawyer” to cite the Law and Decision to show otherwise…
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    Huh?

    The law is irrelevant as it provides doctors the ability to provide care as necessary to protect a Mother from long term health issues or protect her life.

    Just stop.

    We disagree for sure. But you cannot cite one Law that prevents a Mother from getting an abortion to protect her health.

    You just want to legally be able to kill a child for convenience. And we disagree. I appreciate that you own your position. And I will join you in being against a Law that does not allow the Mother to have an abortion if her long term health or life is in jeopardy. But there is not a law to be against in that regard.

    This is not about the Mothers Health for you. You have said that. It is about the ability to kill the Child for you. And we will always disagree on that unless you change your position.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    Glick. She died because she couldn't get an abortion before her life was in danger from sepsis. Her health and life were in jeopardy. The law didn't protect her or allow doctors to act in time.

    Zurakowski. The law prevented doctors from acting until she was in sepsis because despite her sac rupturing, the fetus still had a heartbeat. Because the doctors had to wait, there were complications, and she ended up infertile. How did the law help her?
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    Doctors did not have to wait! Stop!

    Show how they had to wait…YOU CANNOT!
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    Read the Cox decision! They had to wait for her because her life wasn't in danger yet. For Cox, she didn't wait. She went out of state before her life was in enough danger for Texas doctors to be legally able to act. Both Glick and Zurakowski had to wait. Like Cox, had doctors acted before they were in danger, the doctors could've been fined and jailed.
     
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  8. QGator2414

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    They did not have to wait. There was nothing to wait for. You just want the ability to kill the child for any reason.
     
  9. AzCatFan

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    Read the decision! Cox had to wait, didn't she? Zurakowski and Glick did too, for similar reasons.
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    She did not have to wait at all. Read the decision! Killing a child via abortion is illegal in Texas unless the Mothers long term health or life are in jeopardy.

    Read the Decision! It is not the courts place and that is exactly what the decision says and shows. Read it!
     
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    Reading it is irrelevant if you don't understand it like the troll here doesn't despite multiple explanations.
     
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  12. AzCatFan

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    Cox had to wait in Texas. Period. It's why she went out of state to act. Zurakowski was forced to wait too. Read her story. Amniotic sac broke at 18 weeks. The fetus, sadly, had 0% chance of survival. But doctors couldn't abort until the fetus had no heartbeat, or Zurakowski's life was in actual danger. They waited, and Zurakowski went into sepsis, and as a result, is now infertile.

    Precipice and cliff. You can stand right at the edge of the Grand Canyon and have a higher potential to fall and get hurt or die, but as long as you stay on the precipice, you won't have any injuries. The laws in Texas now state they can't do anything to help a woman on the precipice, no matter the likelihood she will fall. They can only intervene after the descend begins.

    Before Roe was overturned, the standard of care was to give the woman a choice. Act now before she falls, or wait and hope it never happens. The Texas Supreme Court took away that choice. She had to wait until she fell before doctors could act.

    With Zurakowski, the standard before Roe was overturned was act immediately to abort. But doctors in Texas couldn't legally do that. Instead, they had to wait until the fetal heartbeat stopped or Zurakowski fell. She ultimately fell, and doctors saved her life, but not without ramifications. She's now infertile because doctors couldn't legally act before she fell off the cliff.

    Glick was in a similar situation as Cox, I believe. We know how the story ends here. She waited until she fell, and fell to her death.

    These three aren't the only ones with similar stories. Over 20 are named in a lawsuit against Texas. Similar stories in Tennessee and other places with the anti-abortion laws. How many more women are anti-abortion advocates willing to kill or cause major health issues in the name of saving lives?
     
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  13. QGator2414

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    Cite one thing in the Law or Decision that prevents a Mother from getting an abortion if her long term health or life is in danger. You cannot!
     
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    She did not have to wait for anything. Abortion is illegal in Texas unless the Mothers long term health or life are in jeopardy.

    Texas has a law to protect the most innocent. And you disagree with the law. But nothing in Texas Law is preventing anyone from getting an Abortion if their long term health or life are in jeopardy.
     
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  15. AzCatFan

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    Then why was Cox forced to wait? Why was Zurakowski forced to wait? Why did Glick die? And why are there over 20 women suing the state because they are forced to wait, and either had to go out of state for care, or ended up with complications like Zurakowski?

    I can answer. Because the laws make women wait until their life us in danger. And once in danger, the risk of complications like infertility or death are real. Again, you can stand at the edge of the Grand Canyon and stay there, you'll never get hurt. Fall, and different story. The law in Texas prevents women from getting care until they fall, no matter how close or obvious it will happen.
     
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    They did not wait for anything. There was nothing to wait for. They wanted an abortion and that is illegal in Texas unless their long term health or life is in jeopardy.
     
  17. AzCatFan

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    So why did Zurakowski have to wait? Why is she now infertile? And why did Glick die?
     
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    In your mind, perhaps, but an a lot of things get right by you.
     
  19. QGator2414

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    Ask the doctor. It certainly was not Texas and the Law there.
     
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  20. QGator2414

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    As the court rightfully said…there is no reason to bring these cases to the court. Doctors have all the discretion necessary to do their jobs knowing the nuances of medicine.