Texas: Where healthcare just means more (if you’re a man)

A doctor can lose their license today for malpractice for any procedure done. This Law does nothing but take a step to protect the most innocent from being killed for convenience.

The court wants no part of telling a doctor how to practice. Hence they have left it to the medical community.

Show me anywhere in the Texas Law or Decision where there is any language that would put fear in a doctor that they might lose their license. You can’t. A doctor can treat the mother with an abortion legally if it is necessary for the Health of the mothers life or long term potential harm.

 

You truly are utterly incapable of understanding what you read and you don't have the first clue how to research this issue. You can't just read one statute in a vacuum and think you have a grasp of what Texas is doing.

Planned Parenthood, here I come.

Ps: Stop spamming the board.

 

When a lawyer who supports killing via abortion for convenience cannot cite one thing in the Law or Decision that prevents a Mother from getting an abortion if her life or long term health is in jeopardy…

This is not about the Mother’s Healthcare to people like you. It is about being able to legally kill the most innocent for convenience.

 

WINNER.
Anyone wondering why doctors are going to court over this is an absolute idiot.
Guess what follows the CORRECT statute I linked to above? The penalty statute...and it's a whopper.

"Sec. 170A.004. CRIMINAL OFFENSE. (a) A person who violates Section 170A.002 commits an offense.

(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second degree, except that the offense is a felony of the first degree if an unborn child dies as a result of the offense.

Added by Acts 2021, 87th Leg., R.S., Ch. 800 (H.B. 1280), Sec. 2, eff. August 25, 2022.

170A.002 is subject to a civil penalty of not less than $100,000 for each violation. The attorney general shall file an action to recover a civil penalty assessed under this section and may recover attorney's fees and costs incurred in bringing the action.

Added by Acts 2021, 87th Leg., R.S., Ch. 800 (H.B. 1280), Sec. 2, eff. August 25, 2022."

Under Texas law, a second degree felony carries a two year minimum, 20 year maximum sentence. A first degree felony is punishable by either life in prison or a term of years between 5 years minimum and 99 years maximum. A doctor would be CRAZY not to seek a judicial determination prior to performing an abortion that might run afoul of their statute.

This also goes beyond charging the surgeon. The nurses, the anesthesiologist, etc., also have exposure as principals/accessories to be prosecuted under Texas' draconian statutory scheme.

 

Show one thing from the Texas Law or the Decision that prevents a Mother from getting an abortion if her life or long term health is in danger.

 

You're not in their shoes so you shouldn't assume what they are thinking. And isn't this post about a woman in the hospital who's life is at stake because of a terminal pregnancy? You're going down a different rabbit hole

 

Yeni Glick. Zurakowski survived, but is now infertile because the doctors had to wait until her life was in danger and/or the fetal heartbeat had stopped before they could do anything. Had doctors acted as soon as the amniotic sac broke, likely no complications. And Cox? Don't know what may have happened to her had she stayed and waited. She got treatment out of state before she ended up one Zurakowski or Glick.

 

A little bit more about Yeni Glick:
Did an Abortion Ban Cost a Young Texas Woman Her Life?
https://progresstexas.org/baby-shower-turned-funeral

 

Per the Texas Supreme Court, had Ms. Cox' doctor relied on the trial court and performed that compellingly necessary abortion, he or she could would be facing those very significant criminal and civil penalties.

You are incapable of understanding black letter law, so I have zero expectation that you will grasp this, but the Texas statute is vague, I believe intentionally so, to have an absolute chilling effect on any doctor contemplating performing a potentially offending abortion. The doctor and trial court judge interpreted the law in a way that Ms. Cox came under an exception, but the Supreme Court of Texas disagreed. The message to the doctors from that court is "don't rely on your assessment and, even if you go to court and get a favorable ruling, you rely on that ruling at your absolute peril." Doctor's aren't going to risk that and Texas got what it wanted...essentially an abortion free zone with no exceptions.

I look forward to the day Roe v Wade 2 becomes the law of the land. Until then, I will support in every way I can, including financially, Florida's efforts to protect a women's right to choose by constitutional amendment.

 

it’s a group of old white wealthy maga men deciding outcome that caused these young mothers to be close to death, walking coffins, infertile, etc.


Texas legislature is 70% men.
66% over 50 ( this would be much higher if over 45 was considered)

As the share of white Texans continues to shrink, the Legislature remains mostly white and male




also….

 

This is 100% an agenda to make abortion for convenience easier. It has nothing to do with the Mothers Healthcare. As the OP and probably you want to believe.

 

This is the lie! You have no proof of that at all. It is pure BS hyperbole in an attempt to make it easier to kill the most innocent for convenience.

Now maybe a doctor provided substandard care. But the Texas Law and Decision did not hinder a doctor one bit from making a medical judgement to preform an abortion if any of these Mothers life or potential long term health was in jeopardy.

You just keep spouting hyperbolic BS with no evidence. If there is any issue it is with the doctor and care they provided. Not the law or decision. The court wants no part of it. And rightfully so. This is all about the agenda to kill.

 

LOL!!!

Have you read the Law and Decision?

This is one of the most ridiculous and ignorant posts we have seen.

Show us in the Law and Decision what you are claiming. You can’t!!!!

 

BS!

And you know it!

Read the Law and Read the Decision!

The court wants no part of the doctors job. And that is how it ruled. You want people to believe Texas is looking over the doctors every move. When that is the furthest thing from what is happening.

If the doctor in good faith knew the Mother could be harmed long term or die. They could perform an abortion with no worries. You know this.

But you want to make it easy to kill the most innocent for convenience. So you distort the situation.

Cite the Law and Cite the Decision that prohibited any abortion in Texas when the mothers long term health or life were in jeopardy.

Still waiting! You can’t!!!

 

As a big Dale Earnhardt guy and knowing what this thread is about to some. Maybe this will touch your hearts…



I knew the story about the penny but not the full story. Life is so special!!!

 

Not a lie. These 20+ women in the lawsuit aren't lying. This isn't hyperbolic BS. You are the one who had bought into the BS and can't accept the truth.

These 20+ women, who probably represent dozens more who wish to remain anonymous, all did not receive substandard care. That too is pure BS. What they all couldn't receive was preventive care before their lives were in danger, as the law, backed by the Texas Supreme Court decision, prevented it.

It's why women like Cox went out of state to receive care. Think she's lying about that? And why Zorwinski is now infertile, because she didn't go out of state for care. And why Glick is dead.

 

Don't worry, folks will come along to tell you that those white men are there on "merit." If women and people of color were as talented as white men, they'd "earn" more seats in the legislature.

 

You all should really stop feeding the backwoods troll just like the Covid thread.

We all know that states like Florida and Texas are passing vague laws with brutal penalties and daring people to cross lines that are not clearly drawn at their own peril. This allows morons to scream, "the law doesn't make FILL IN THE BLANK illegal!" though these laws put all the onus on the targets to navigate them.

 

Nonsense. And you are correct about one thing. They likely all did not receive substandard care. Some possibly did. We do not know.

What we do know is the Texas Law and Decision is/was not the issue. You cannot cite one thing from the Law or Decision that prevented a Mother from getting an abortion if their long term health or life was in jeopardy. Not one thing!

 

What's more important? The text of the law? Or how it's interpreted and enforced? These women’s experiences are real. And I'm still waiting how trading the law or the v decision would've kept these driven from needing to go out of state for care, ending up infertile, or worse, doing dying.