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Texas: Where healthcare just means more (if you’re a man)

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by swampbabe, Jan 3, 2024.

  1. QGator2414

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    Read the Law and Read the Decision!
     
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  2. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    Read the Law! Read the Decision!
     
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  3. mikemcd810

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    Stop acting like a toddler. You're being provided with multiple examples which show that the law is not being applied as written. Maybe you're ok with that, maybe you're not but we've moved well past the point of the law and Supreme Court decision itself. We're talking about the application of the law and whether that is causing undue harm. Either contribute to the conversation or just go back to the COVID thread.
     
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  4. AzCatFan

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    Had the 23 women just read the law abs c the decision, how would have that changed the current predicament they find themselves in? How will reading the law and the decision stop the exact same thing from happening again?
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    I have not been provided one example of that. You need to stop being the toddler. Show me in the law and in the decision where anything I have pointed out is wrong.

    Read the Law! Read the Decision!

    Don’ read stories that misrepresent reality!
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    There is a reason none of you that support killing the most innocent for convenience will go to the source for your information. It is because you want to distort reality to allow the legal killing of the most innocent for convenience legal and easy.

    I am still waiting for one person to cite in the law and in the decision where the law and courts prohibit doctors from providing quality care to their patients which can in life the procedure of abortion.

    All the stories do not show that doctors have been prohibited from this by the law. Did some doctors possibly not provide reasonable standard of care? Possible. We don’t have the doctor notes to know. But nothing in the law or decision in Texas stops an abortion if the doctor feels the mothers life is in jeopardy OR they feel her health could be harmed in the long term.
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    So all those women telling their stories are lying and are not to be believed?
     
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  8. mikemcd810

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    Or is it that the doctors decided not to provide care, even though they were legally allowed, but then later are lying about it? And the women who went through these experiences are going along with that?

    I'm starting to think Q may not be putting a lot of thought into how to discount these stories.
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    The Texas Law and Decision has not denied one woman access to an abortion if their life was in jeopardy OR there was a chance their long term health would be harmed.

    So if they are saying the law is why...then yes. They are lying. But the reality is they are more likely being used to push the agenda of being able to legally kill the most innocent for convenience.

    Show me where in the Law and Decision just one of the women were denied an abortion because of the Law! You cannot. That does not mean they received poor care by a doctor or provider. But it was not the Law that is the issue.

    Read the Law! Read the Decision!
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    You are starting to get there. This is about the agenda to legally kill the most innocent for convenience.

    You are unable to cite one thing in the Law or Decision that says otherwise!
     
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  11. QGator2414

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    To help you out I will post again the Texas Law and the Texas Supreme Court Decision...

    87(R) SB 8 - Enrolled version (texas.gov)

    230994pc.pdf (txcourts.gov)
     
  12. GatorJMDZ

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    You know what would REALLY help? If you were reading the right damn statute. All these posts you have authored repeatedly claiming to have read the law and challenging people you believe hadn't, and you can't even figure out which is the applicable statute. Wow, just wow.

    Your first link, you know, "to help out," is to several Texas bills, NONE of which is the one that was being litigated. The first bill you found was the fetal heartbeat bill, the second was the Texas "sue your neighbor if they are going to aid and abet an abortion" bill. There was also one in there about the notice you have to provide the patient. The one thing they had in common was they all dealt with Texas law Chapter 171. The law litigated by Ms. Cox before the Texas Supreme Court was in Chapter 170. Oopsie.

    In the opinion you linked to, the Texas Supreme Court even told you by the 3rd damn paragraph the statute being litigated, yet you still got it wrong. FYI: All those numbers and letters in a statute are significant. If you just match some of them, you wind up embarrassing yourself. The childhood admonition that close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and tactical nuclear weapons has applicability here.

    You, sir, owe an awful lot of people an apology for your intransigence. You attack, you belittle, you criticize all the while making a mistake of this magnitude.

    This is the damn law that was litigated in Ms. Cox' situation.:

    2022 Texas Statutes :: Health and Safety Code :: Title 2 - Health :: Subtitle H - Public Health Provisions :: Chapter 170A - Performance of Abortion :: Section 170A.002. Prohibited Abortion; Exceptions

    I am not the only one to comment on your issue with not being able to process information properly. This is the exclamation mark.
     
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  13. QGator2414

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    If the Law I posted was not the right one and the one you did is. Thank you for finding the correct original law.

    Read the Law! Read the Decision!

    Show us in the law and decision where it is the court and law that is the problem. Unless you want to kill for convenience!

    Cite it!!!!!! You can’t!!!!!

    If you could. You would. But you cannot!!!!

    And thank you for bringing your expertise to help me as I am not a lawyer and used google to search the Texas law and Texas decision! And the law you posted says basically the exact same thing.
     
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  14. Gator715

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    What is a woman?
     
  15. QGator2414

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    Cite for us how the Texas Law forces a woman whose life is in jeopardy OR could have long term damage to her health cannot get an abortion done in Texas based on the Law! And the decision by the Supreme Court of Texas!

    We will be waiting. A long time. Forever!
     
  16. Gator715

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    The ruling doesn't appear to block pregnant women from receiving abortions in life-threatening situations.

    It only seems to refuse to require medical providers to provide abortions, even in life-threatening situations.

    Based on the article that you shared, abortions to save the life of the pregnant patient are still permissible in Texas. You just can't compel a doctor to perform one.

    Resorting to characterizing the Texas judiciary as misogynistic is both absurd and not exactly the most persuasive way of winning people over.
     
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  17. Gator715

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    Anyone who thinks that respect for women is directly tied to your opinion on whether women should have the right to kill fetuses shouldn't be calling anyone else sick.
     
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  18. Gator715

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    This is actually a fair point.

    There should be clear Black and White medical complications where abortion is permitted in Texas by law to avoid such issues.

    Perhaps it's tough to get a comprehensive list. But they can definitely do something about that. It's just easier said than done to establish criteria that neither includes frivolous cases nor excludes legitimate cases.
     
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    But you're saying it SHOULD involve politicians.

    You are arguing that federal law COMPELS doctors to provide abortions in life-threatening situations.
     
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  20. mikemcd810

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    This is the funniest thing after two pages "read the law!" LOL

    Not that any of us actually believe you are capable of reading or comprehending the law considering you can't grasp the concept that the law isn't being applied as you think it's written despite more than a dozen examples proving otherwise.
     
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