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Texas: Where healthcare just means more (if you’re a man)

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by swampbabe, Jan 3, 2024.

  1. AzCatFan

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    What's more important? What the law says? Or how the courts interpret the law? READ THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT DECISION! If you want to argue the Texas court got it wrong, and Cox should've received a legal abortion, go for it. But that's moot, because it won't change the actual decision.

    And despite the fact the fetus was pointing a proverbial loded weapon at Cox's reproductive system, and slowly squeezing the trigger every day, the Texas courts ruled her doctor couldn't act until the shot was fired. Same thing in Tennessee, which is why a woman there is now infertile. An abortion that would've prevented infertility was denied because her life wasn't in enough danger yet. When it was, it was too late.

    I know you think you're saving thousands of babies. But you're not. Abortion numbers have gone up. Adoption numbers have not. Suicide numbers have gone up too, and so have the number of women, like Cox, who can't get an abortion to avoid complications, and either end up infertile or worse, dead. These are the facts you are conveniently ignoring to try and make yourself feel better.
     
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  2. QGator2414

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    LOL!

    There was no reason to bring the Supreme Court of Texas into this unless it was intentional. The doctor had all the discretion to protect the Mother? Did they? I don’t know. Neither do you. But the law provided the doctor all the discretion they needed.
     
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  3. philnotfil

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    Not according to the people responsible for intepreting and upholding the law in Texas.
     
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  4. AzCatFan

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    Are you serious? The Texas Supreme Court made a decision based on the law which is now how the law will be interpreted in the state. The Texas Supreme Court ruled the doctor did have discretion in the case, and ruled AGAINST THE DOCTOR!

    What part of the Court ruled against the doctor you do not understand?
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    Read the law. The discretion for the doctor is broad for a reason. The doctor apparently admitted the mother was not at risk and did not meet the requirement. At the same time the law clearly provides the doctor a broad discretion to do their job.

    Did Cox get inadequate care? Very possible!
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    Considering the Doctor in testimony said the Mothers life was NOT in jeopardy…what did you expect?

    Read the LAW!
     
  7. AzCatFan

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    The doctor testified her life wasn't in jeopardy on the day she petitioned. But the longer she remained pregnant, the more danger she was in. So again, why suitor Cox, or other women, be denied preventative care? Especially when the fetus is not viable, wait, and the chances of the woman dying increases exponentially.
     
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  8. QGator2414

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    Not based on your post. I bolded it what they reported the doctor said. Which was the Mothers Life was NOT in jeopardy. If the doctor was at the hospital and saw tests and scans that said otherwise. They 100% could take action to save the Mother.

    You are fixated on an outlier case that this point appears you are abusing. Sad. Read the Law. Show me a doctor denied treatment when a Mother was in danger based on medicine. Not left wing sites that support killing the most innocent for convenience.
     
  9. AzCatFan

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    So the mother has to wait until she's on death's door, and risk death or infertility before she can get treatment? No preventative treatment is available, even when the fetus isn't viable? You know, this interpretation of the law will only lead to more maternal deaths, more women infertile, and less kids being born. Is that what you want?

    I'm focusing on this case, and others like it, because it shows that many R politicians see women as walking wombs only, with no rights of their own. To me, that's preposterous and unacceptable. Especially when the fetus isn't viable. Allow the woman preventative care before her life is in danger. But you'd, and the Texas and Tenn courts would force her to wait.
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    Nope!

    Nothing in the Law has anything close to that. But you want to make it seem that way in a dishonest fashion!

    The doctors have every discretion based on tests and scans to protect the mother based on the way the Law is written. Show me otherwise. Don’t use left wing media and chopped quotes either. The chopped quotes so far have proven the doctors did not believe the Mothers Life was in Danger.

    If they believed the mothers life was in danger and noted it and did not act they should be held accountable.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    I'll show you the Texas Supreme Court ruling. While Cox's life wasn't in danger at the time she filed for the legal abortion, it was heading straight down that path. Non-viable fetus and at least two ER visits already. Her doctor wanted to abort to prevent Cox from egret being in danger for her life. But the court said no.

    An abortion at the time of filing changes nothing for the fetus. But prevents several health risks, including potential death for Cox. But I guess that's not good enough? Or maybe you like putting women's lives in unnecessary danger as long as they are pregnant?
     
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  12. QGator2414

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    Was her life in jeopardy? As you continue to acknowledge. NO!

    Stop blaming the Texas Supreme Court for a political move and waste of tax payer dollars. If her tests and scans showed her life was in danger…doctors had every ability to save her life!
     
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  13. AzCatFan

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    Her life wasn't in imminent danger. But with a Trisomy 18 pregnancy and several trips to the ER already, chances were very high that it would be. And if Cox had reached the point when her life was in danger, she could've died. Why let it get to that point? Why was it necessary for Cox to be on death's door in order for a doctor to legally act? What good comes from waiting?
     
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    You would have to ask her doctors.
     
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  16. AzCatFan

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    You mean like the doctor who was on the lawsuit in favor of allowing a legal abortion but was denied by the courts? In other b words, her doctor saw zero point in waiting, which is why she petitioned for the legal abortion.

    So is Cox wanted to abort, her doctors wanted to abort too, what good comes from making her wait? We know the doctors' opinion already. In interested in yours.
     
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    Evidently, only California is allowed to do stupid shit...
     
  18. QGator2414

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    The doctor who said she was not in danger? Yeah.
     
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  19. AzCatFan

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    Yes. The doctor who said she wasn't in imminent danger...yet. But she was heading full speed towards imminent danger, which is why the doctor wanted to abort. So I ask, yet again, what good comes from making Cox wait? No wait, and she is never in danger. Wait, and chances are extremely high that she would end up in imminent danger which would threaten her life. So again, why wait?
     
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    Doctor: “No, she’s in no immediate danger. But we’re afraid she will be. Oh, why can’t we just kill the baby now ???”
     
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