Texas abortion ban linked to increase in infant deaths, new study finds

I'm not ridiculing you, but yes, I will point out the lack of consistency. This is a political issue, and we treat it like one. You're right. It does force you into a lose-lose. But that's because the consistent position (no exceptions except for when the person's life is in peril) is extraordinarily unpopular. You imply you're willing to cede some ground to be humane. Maybe that's true. I think it's more likely that you're making a political calculation too.

 

I gave you a disagree because there is no political calculation at all. Pro-life people really can be empathetic.

 

I've no information on this poster's IP address, but tend to agree the new poster's likely intention is to troll and rile his political and possibly religious opposition.

 

That response is helpful to clarify what you were driving at. I sympathize with that point somewhat. I could be wrong about some things. Absolutely. My understanding of the Bible has changed as I have read it as well, but that does not change my confidence that the words are written in a way that can be understood.

Now revisiting this question, there is some recourse in this scenario. If the man is requiring something sinful and contrary to God's commands, then the woman should obey God. If he is not requiring something sinful, then she should obey her husband. But further than that even men are subject to authorities if they are under the authority of a church. They are also subject to the authority of the magistrate as well. Depending on the situation and the nature of the disagreement a woman could reach out to the church in some situations or in extreme and hopefully rare circumstances she could reach out to the authority of the state, which has certain authority that the husband is biblically bound to recognize in most scenarios.

 

It is pointing out the inconsistency of the position. On the one hand they say it is murder, but at the same time don’t want to hold the mother accountable or will make exceptions for rape and incest. Some will go as far as to say it isn’t murder (or shouldn’t be ) but still want to ban it anyway. In my mind that just shows how little regard they have for the mother and her ability to have bodily autonomy.

The intellectually consistent position is it is murder and all cases and mothers should be tried and jailed, and police forces need to expand and have miscarriage investigation units. But that is so horrific most people won’t propose that. Some due to political expediency and others due to hypocrisy.

 

A non-viable fetus isn't a "child"! That's just some bullshit excuse insecure men use to control women. Then, to refer to a 2,000+ year old book to justify their domination of women is even more bullshit.

Otherwise, I've no right to question whatever you need to get through this veil of tears. Besides, neither of us is going to change the other's opinion. I truly hope you and your spouse are happy and content with one another.

 

LOL! Aren't we lucky!

 

//My housekeeper.
A year or so ago she came to work declaring with certainty the state of California had legalized post birth abortion, based on fabricated rumors being circulated in her circles. I think the same sort of fake news about proposed laws or legislation in Maryland was being shared around the same time. She refused to listen, read, or even consider it might not be true.

 

I suspect our guy got escorted out by security.

 

This whole business about exceptions to abortion reminds me of a joke.

Man introduces himself to an attractive woman at a bar, and they get to talking, have a couple of drinks, when he asks her if she'd come up to his room to spend the night for $10,000. "Why of course," she responds. They have a couple more drinks, and she asks if he's ready. He said he was, but said he was rethinking payment and felt $1,000 was more appropriate, at which point she exclaims, "What type of woman do you take me for!", to which he responds, " Madam, we've established that. Now we're just talking price."

Seems to me once you make one exception for abortion then, you've conceded "murder" (as the Christians enjoy saying) is acceptable. (The only honest and non-hypocritical state is Utah, where there are no exceptions.)

 

LOL! Given your position, why does data matter?

 

He's left the Fauci train with his tail between his legs and has hopped on the abortion one.

 

People can be. Laws aren't empathetic. That is the problem of taking a personal position, which can include empathy, and codifying it into a law to be applied to people who hold your beliefs and those who don't. You want to believe abortion is wrong? I actually agree with you. But my agreement is based upon my personal beliefs from a religious context about the nature of humanity and the concept of a soul and shouldn't be applied to others who hold different beliefs on those subjects by an unempathetic law. The law's job is not to force my beliefs on others.

 

Won't open for me.

 

Rigidity is often a sign of insecurity. We see that from several posters here on this topic, including Q.

 

Wrong question!

 

I think he's mocking those on here who use the Bible as justification for their views and conduct. Reliance on those ancient texts has always been a double-edged sword.

 

Been my point all along, but in their rigid certainty, they just can't comprehend the hypocrisy.

 

Goodness! It's a thorny political issue - yes, political; there isn't a "god" because I haven't seen "it", and neither has anyone else, including the various authors of those ancient texts, so prove I'm wrong. Because it's a political issue, it's subject to compromise. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of people in this country would say fetus viability ought to be the cutoff.

 

ADDENDUM: When I say there's no god, I mean there isn't one remotely resembling any Homo sapiens has conjured up based upon ancient writings by the very, very few people who were literate and, therefore, had power over the masses and used it to control them. (Hasn't that been the name of the game over the centuries, isn't that why some today fear the " elites"?) Otherwise, I'm in awe of nature and all that's around me and have not a clue what it all means and what awaits me in the not too distant future. I wish we could all be kind and loving - which I'm often not on TH - and if we can't leave religion out of our lives, at least practice it privately and in places of worship. The danger to this country is not the nonbelievers, but the radical Christians who won't be happy unless everyone believes they do. They are unapologetic.