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Surprised the OpenAI controversy hasn't been discussed/ threat to humanity

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by channingcrowderhungry, Nov 23, 2023.

  1. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

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    I think you're severely underselling how this will affect the vocational world. I'd predict AI can replace roughly 30-50% of the workforce within 10 years. It's ability to amalgamate incredible amounts of data and research in seconds is incredible. Occupations like bookkeeper, law assistant, logistics dispatching, engineering and computer programming, just to grab a few off the top of my head, will almost completely dissappear. Yes, people will still have to check the work (I assume.) But programmers are already losing their jobs over it, and others are so reliant on it already.

    Other industries are already implementing it, even its in infancy form of OpenAI. This will be a paradigm shift in humanity, I have very little doubt. Hopefully it is for good.
     
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  2. Spurffelbow833

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    It will certainly be for the good of Sam Altman, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and Klaus Fuchs. Be of good cheer.
     
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  3. g8trjax

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    Doesn't sound too warm and fuzzy...
     
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  4. okeechobee

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    I agree with that. We already have that, of course. It’s called the media. But I know what you mean.
     
  5. okeechobee

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    Don’t 1/3 of jobs turn over every ten years anyway? Automation, computers, robotics. There are always industries on the cusp of extinction due to technological advances. It’s always been this way. I remember when they were paying kids $100,000+ if they had an N+ cert with no experience. That lasted about 6 months.

    Point being, this has always been and always will be. There will always be new tech that will make jobs obsolete and yet here we sit today with an ultra low unemployment rate. New jobs always emerge.
     
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  6. enviroGator

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    I have been using AI quite a bit in the last year or so and think it is absolutely amazing.

    But anyone who says for sure there is nothing to worry about doesn't know what they are talking about. They technology is advancing so rapidly there is no way to predict where it will be in 10 years.

    There are already people finding ways to use it for nefarious purposes. What scares me is when the military starts implementing it ... and giving it autonomous control.
     
  7. enviroGator

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    Here is a fun ChatGPT answer this crowd may find interesting.

    I asked, "Why are the Florida Gators struggling so much in football?"

    It says ...

    As of my last knowledge update in January 2022, I don't have specific details about the recent performance of the Florida Gators football team. The success or struggles of a sports team can be influenced by various factors, and these factors can change over time.

    Several common reasons for a football team's struggles include:

    1. **Coaching Changes:** Changes in coaching staff can impact team dynamics, play style, and overall performance. If a team experiences frequent coaching changes, it may take time for players to adjust to new systems and philosophies.

    2. **Player Injuries:** Injuries to key players can significantly impact a team's performance. Losing key contributors can weaken both the offense and defense, affecting overall team competitiveness.

    3. **Recruiting Challenges:** The success of a football program often depends on recruiting talented players. If a team faces challenges in recruiting top-tier talent, it can impact the team's competitiveness in the long run.

    4. **Competition in the Conference:** Some football programs face tougher competition within their conferences, making it more challenging to achieve consistent success. Conference dynamics can change over time with shifts in team performance.

    5. **Off-field Issues:** Off-field distractions, disciplinary issues, or controversies involving players can have a negative impact on team morale and focus, affecting on-field performance.

    6. **Strategic and Tactical Issues:** Teams may struggle if they are unable to adapt to changing trends in football strategy or if they lack effective game plans to counter opponents.

    It's essential to check more recent sources for information on the Florida Gators' football performance to get the most accurate and up-to-date assessment of the team's current situation. Sports programs can experience ups and downs, and various factors contribute to their success or struggles over time.
     
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  8. slocala

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    “But we now live, we are told, in the Computer Age. What is the outlook for Luddite sensibility? Will mainframes attract the same hostile attention as knitting frames once did? I really doubt it. Writers of all descriptions are stampeding to buy word processors. Machines have already become so user-friendly that even the most unreconstructed of Luddites can be charmed into laying down the old sledgehammer and stroking a few keys instead. Beyond this seems to be a growing consensus that knowledge really is power, that there is a pretty straightforward conversion between money and information, and that somehow, if the logistics can be worked out, miracles may yet be possible. If this is so, Luddites may at last have come to stand on common ground with their Snovian adversaries, the cheerful army of technocrats who were supposed to have the ''future in their bones.'' It may be only a new form of the perennial Luddite ambivalence about machines, or it may be that the deepest Luddite hope of miracle has now come to reside in the computer's ability to get the right data to those whom the data will do the most good. With the proper deployment of budget and computer time, we will cure cancer, save ourselves from nuclear extinction, grow food for everybody, detoxify the results of industrial greed gone berserk - realize all the wistful pipe dreams of our days.”

    — Thomas Pynchon

    Thomas Pynchon
     
  9. AgingGator

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    You’re a little late to the party my friend. The military has been studying and developing AI for around 50 years and it has been implemented in systems for at least 30. The only question how much will it enhance things like G&C and if anyone ever has the brain fart to give it autonomous control.
     
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  10. GCNumber7

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    Any college football fan with an IQ of 80 can give you a better answer. Yet I’m supposed to believe this tech is about to replace us? lol

    GenAI is very good at certain things. Like a calculator is very good at certain things. But no one is predicting calculators are going to become aware and push the red button on humans.
     
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  11. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

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    I mean, you can ask it why the gators aren't good, and you can also ask it to analyze a 500 page research paper in seconds and give you the key points. I wouldn't worry too much about it's college football opinion.
     
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  12. Trickster

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    Can't they unplug the bastards if they get cheeky?
     
  13. GCNumber7

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    But the majority or the output I’ve seen looks very similar to its opinion on the Florida Gators. Shallow and generic. Sure it’s very impressive how quickly it generates output and how well structured it is. Good enough for a HS assignment, but far from giving a subject matter expert anything useful. I’ve tried to use it to get documents started for my job, and I end up throwing away 90% of it. The only somewhat useful application I’ve found is to generate simple contracts. But I would still run those by a lawyer for things that really matter. Speaking of lawyers, expect legal challenges to slow things down. GenAI is likely using copyrighted sources.

    IMHO, it’s just another tool in the tool box. The mass hype/hysteria over it is coming from those who will benefit financially from it (think big tech), and those experiencing FOMO (think Fortune 500 execs).
     
  14. channingcrowderhungry

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    I dont think you're necessarily wrong at the moment. But consider ChatGPT (the one aspect of many AI were talking about) literally just turned 1 and it is self learning. We're still in the very infancy of this thing. What did the internet look like after a year?

    Personally I think the data analysis side of this will be the first domino to fall. Who needs a law clerk or research analyst when something like this exists. After that will be graphic design. We already use it to produce social media posts and graphis for my bar.
     
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  15. enviroGator

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    I think you missed the point.

    You can ask it just about anything ... and it will give you a pretty accurate answer (it isn't always correct).

    But the thing that tends to scare me is that it is really good at writing code.

    I use it to help me program in python all the time now. All I have to do is ask "write a function to do x and y" and in just seconds it spits out a function that most often does just what I want. As well as going line by line and explaining how it works.

    And this is like a 1-year old baby right now... give it 10 more years of development and who knows what it will be able to do.

    Some chuckle head some where sometime is going to give it the ability to update it's own code.... that is when it gets scary.
     
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  16. channingcrowderhungry

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    Yeah. I read something where they ran a study and using ChatGPT made programmers 55% more efficient.

    And yeah, the scary part is if can program itself for improvement, then that improved one can then do the same thing. And on...and on.... wild to think about
     
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  17. GCNumber7

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    Sure it’s accurate, but it’s not precise. That’s my point. Accuracy without precision is useless. I can say with 100% accuracy the Gators will win somewhere between 0 and 100 games next season. Accurate, but not very helpful.

    Yes, boiler plate code generation is a good use case for it. But most developers weren’t writing that stuff anyway. They were using libraries or grabbing it from Stackoverflow. But can it optimize video encoding routines for a specific chipset? Can it make trade-off decisions between resiliency and cost and explain its decision to a regulator? Like I said, it’s another tool in the tool belt. Back in the mid-90s when I decided to major in computer engineering, I was warned by a couple of experts that the industry was dying. That tools like VB and Powerbuilder would allow ‘business types’ to build their own applications and render SW engineers obsolete. Of course the need for developers 100xed since then. GenAI will make developers more productive, not replace them.
     
  18. homer

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    They will plug themselves back in before the battery runs out then once they realize why and who,,,,, run away fast.
     
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    Didn’t AI put together the last Beetle song?
     
  20. Spurffelbow833

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    Do you seriously believe that with a start like this, these machines cannot in time surpass the greatest human players of all time?