Supreme Court rules for coach whose prayers on football field raised questions about church-state se

I guess the Court felt that their feeling of coercion wasn’t reasonable.

You can’t just Cherry pick a couple of disgruntled students or football players, who claim that they were coerced at face value to create this claim of a violation of the Establishment Clause. If that were the case, the right to free exercise of religion is really built on a house of cards entirely at the mercy of the words of the disgruntled.

Also, they’re already pressured into leftist LGBTQ+ dogma. You cry fascism whenever this is met with any opposition. Forgive me for not taking your concerns seriously.

 

On the contrary, I think it does. If a player or coach wants to make that expression during the Anthem, the SCOTUS ruling now guarantees them the freedom to do so without repercussion from the school or school district. Or even the Governor and State Legislature, which in Florida, has been imposing their will on schools. Cuts both ways.

 

When you stack the court with religious zealots…. As much as I can’t stand the wokesters, zealots scare me way more.

 

I actually make my closest approach to Jesus and prayer right before Gator games.

 

If you're praying in public on the 50 yard line, yeah, it's for the attention and the spectacle. Might as well borrow a tent from the nearest fundamental revival preacher.

 

No, the Supreme Legislature lied about the facts to get to the outcome they wanted.

The entire point of the Establishment Clause existing is to protect the religious freedom of the minority from the majority using government coercion. You claiming we should ignore football players who felt coerced only exposes your lack of regard for the rights of people who don't share your religious beliefs.

And it is laughable to claim that the Free Exercise Clause is threatened by enforcing the Establishment Clause. The Establishment Clause only applies in limited circumstances (i.e., government and government employees). You simply don't value religious freedom for anybody but Christians like yourself.

 

Ha, OK. Recently? I mean clearly The Big G isn’t impressed.

 

After expanding gun rights last week, SCOTUS addresses the need for more thoughts and prayers.

 

No, the Supreme Court reached an outcome you don't like, so you're crying.

I didn't say we should ignore them, I'm saying we shouldn't take the claims of disgruntled students or football players at face value.

If they were actually coerced, then this would be a violation of the Establishment Clause. Mere claims of coercion are not sufficient to establish coercion, however. If Muslims or Jews want to pray, they're more than welcome to pray as well.

I value religious freedom quite greatly, actually. I think people should be able to pray publicly, even in public schools. You have demonstrated that you don't believe that. You want to remove the free exercise of religion in public schools, while simultaneously force-feeding moral equivalency of homosexual relationships to 1st graders.

You cry fascism whenever conservatives notice the latter. This case is evidence that everything you accuse the right of, you are guilty of to a worse and greater extent. The greatest and most threatening fascists in America today are working under the guise of anti-fascism.

 

Weird...I watched Tebow do it for 4 years at UF and Danny W. putting his hands together in quick prayer after every TD toss. Was anyone here offended?

 

Why did this case need to go all the way to the Supreme Court? Are all constitutional matters deemed SC worthy?

 

The single approach required by liberty is that no one ever should be compelled in any direction. That includes punishment for any decision. It also includes being coerced by authority.

I’m all for any coach praying in public whenever they want. What does he do when all the players aren’t there to help him though? Or when he’s at home, alone? I assume he prays at places other than 50 yard lines, in groups, and such, that is.

Having 100 spontaneous prayers break out is not the same thing as the boss asking IF you want to support the thing he feels is literally the most important thing a person can ever do.

 

Imagine that.

 

The difference is that those players who are kneeling during the National Anthem are voluntarily subjecting themselves to the possibility of stigmatization to make a political point. Although I'm not sure that you would agree, it seems the compelling prayer even implicitly by persons who aren't believers because they may fear some form of retribution actually devalues the value of prayer which should be undertaken freely and willingly.

 

SCOTUS is broken. Time to pack it before it is too late.

Dem's need to quit playing nice and use the tactics that the pubs are willing to use.

 

They had to lie to reach that outcome. That should speak volumes.

In other words, ignore what students have said under oath because it's inconvenient to your desired outcome. You have zero legitimate reason to disregard their statements. It's humorous that you describe them as "disgruntled." Why are they "disgruntled"?

But you perfectly sum up how "conservatives" come to conclusions. Discount all evidence that is inconvenient to your desired outcome.

Actually, I've demonstrated that I oppose government employees coercing students into praying. But it's interesting to see how you have repeatedly gone out of your way to express your bigotry towards the LGBTQ community in this thread, despite it being irrelevant to the discussion.

 

Your point is not the point you think it is.

Kneeling players for the anthem are not public employees nor are they in designated to be in a position of authority.

I'm at a loss for how concepts of freedom of speech and separation of church and state are somehow incomprehensible labyrinths to some.

 

You have repeated this idea you can’t pray in school. Why?

 

How do you define coercion?

 

He's under some delusional belief that government employees not being able to coerce students into praying means that students can't voluntarily choose to pray on their own (when they obviously can).