Supreme Court rejects affirmative action at colleges, says schools can’t consider race in admission

DeSantis will probably have 2nd sets of water fountains installed in government buildings next year. Separate bathrooms too.

 

Should be interesting to see how Harvard approaches this. I hope they increase enrollment and eliminate legacy.


Federal Complaint Says Harvard Legacy Preferences in Admissions Violate Civil Rights Act | News | The Harvard Crimson

 

Not nice to refer to his supporters that way.

 

Least shocking news ever out of Wisconsin

 

UF still considers race, just like every state that has officially banned affirmative action. They just can't do it as much as they would if they had affirmative action. This is why Harvard claims their black enrollment would drop to 4% without affirmative action rather than >1% which it likely would be under purely race neutral criteria.

 

The district court found that removing race from consideration would reduce Black representation at Harvard from 14% to 6%. You just claimed that it would reduce it to less than 1%. And numbers pulled out of your ass aren't "facts."

 

Hahahah. Yeah they are facts.

The average black SAT score at Harvard is less slightly than 1400 which is nowhere near Harvard caliber. It would be 6% with sports and the other nonsense engineered to indirecly increase diversity. And you would get the same result at nearly every top school the country.

And if only grades and SAT were considered, the number could very well be zero. But keep pretending otherwise.

I can find the actual numbers online if it comes down to it. If you are claiming Harvard would be 6% black without any consideration given to race you either don't understand what is going on or you are being intentionally deceptive.

 

Oh look, more thinly veiled racism. You love pulling numbers out of your ass. If Harvard eliminated race and ALDCs (athletes, legacies, dean's/director's interest list, and children of faculty), the percentage would drop from 14% to 5%. When looking at the percentage of applicants that received the highest academic rankings, 9% of Black applicants were in that group. While that was the lowest of all the racial groups, the proportional differences would not remotely support the inference that Black applicants would be at or near 0%.

All of these numbers are directly out of the district court's findings of fact. They are facts. Your suppositions are just pathetic racism.

 

You don't know what you are talking about and are spewing nonsense because you know you are clearly wrong and can't take it.

Why not cite some actual numbers champ?

I'll be happy to do so tomorrow. Just let me know if you wish to quit now so I don't waste my time. But you won't believe anything I post that contradicts your BS, so why bother.

Asian-American Harvard Admits Earned Highest Average SAT Score of Any Racial Group From 1995 to 2013 | News | The Harvard Crimson.

Here is cite to start you off.

Incidentally, the less than 1% number was a figure I actually found while researching affirmative action for AA Politics course in the early 00's. But it's 100% true today, too.

 

It's a good thing they don't use message board postings as a group indicia of academic ability. I don't think white people would have any representation at elite universities, except in the troll programs

 

Bahahahahahaha! The district court opinion and its findings of fact are right here:
Students for Fair Admissions v. President of Harvard Coll., 397 F. Supp. 3d 126 | Casetext Search + Citator

You can read it and learn. Or you can continue pulling more numbers out of your ass to try and buttress the claim you're making.

 

I don't if you are being honest or trying to shame me into silence. Because your own source destroys your claim.

Among Expanded Dataset applicants, more than 60% of Asian American applicants received academic ratings of 1 or 2, compared to 46% of white applicants, 9% of African American applicants, and 17% of Hispanic applicants. [Oct. 25 Tr. 49:17–50:5; PX623].

So Asian applicants fall in the best qualified group at a rate of over six times the number of Black applicants and white applicants fall in the best qualified group at a rate of five times the number of Black applicants.

And guess what, those "best qualified" Asians and Whites still beat the scores of the "best qualified" black applicants by a significant margin. And the Asian kids who didn't even get in will badly beat the scores of the scores of most of the black kids who did. This is the whole premise of the lawsuit. That the Asian rejects were so far better qualified that no reasonable margin of judgement could explain it. It was clearly discrimination.

Your own damn source says the opposite of what you are claiming, and you conveniently elided the full quote from your post, probably hoping I wouldn't even look.

And the source I cited, showing that the average SAT scores among Black students at Harvard between 2000-2017 was 1408 whereas the average Asian score was 1532 makes it damn near stastically impossible that black enrollment would be anywhere near 6% under genuinely race neutral factors. Granted, whites would look a lot worse under race neutral factors as well.

Let me know if you want me to keep going because it's a waste of my time to prove the obvious. And if you continue ignore my arguments and proceed to requote the District Court opinion for the tenth time, I'll know that means tap out.

 

I am not Harvard material or close to it. But, seriously, what don't you understand about what I posted?

 

Huh? Based on your posting record you should update your profile pic to:



You stain a legend with your mediocrity.

 

I'll take two division titles, Kyle Pitts, Kadarius Toney, and Kyle Trask over Dylan Mulvaney with Bud Light cans any day of the week.

 

Cool. Change your avatar.

 

Why would I? You didn’t.

 

I love that your ENTIRE argument is based on pure academic qualification that is a standardized test that is notably prone to gaming. No need to rehash why students of one background may have more access to SAT prep tools, etc. BUT even with that, at the end of the day, the one group tests at 1532 on average and the other at 1408 and you're telling me THAT difference is wide enough for you to repeatedly post about this GREAT disparity in the quality of the applicant pool? Are you SERIOUS???

As an aside, here's a metric I found interesting:

On average, 4,910 Asian Americans, 1,938 African Americans, 2,082 Hispanic Americans, 8,685 white students, and 233 Native-American and Native-Hawaiian students applied to Harvard in any given year included in the dataset.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/#:~:text=White applicants earned an average,applicants a score of 622

Demographic breakdown of the US population:

As of 2021, White Americans are the racial majority, with non-Hispanic whites representing 59.3% of the population. Hispanic and Latino Americans are the largest ethnic minority, comprising 18.9% of the population, while Black Americans are the largest racial and the second largest ethnic minority, making up 12.6%. Asian Americans comprise 5.9%.

Harvard must see that and ask itself a TON of questions. What is the reason for the over-indexing of applicants from the Asian American pool? Is a perfect score on the SAT the best and sole metric to gauge applicants in an attempt to build a student body that creates an intuition of higher learning that creates the kind of consortium in keeping with the aims of Harvard? What percentage of the student body should be comprised of people whose primary applicant strength is excelling on these testing benchmarks? And yes, to what degree is important to us that the make up of this student body be a reflection of the society an institution like Harvard seeks to impact and change for the better by creating citizens equipped to enter it and effect change that betters humankind?

Those questions are serious enough to legitimately offset and balance the results of a standardized test.

 

My argument has nothing to do with the legitimacy of standardized tests. You can question the legitimacy of any criteria universities use to evaluate students, including grades.

All I said is that under current criteria, which includes the use of standardized tests, black students would likely be under 1% of students at Harvard under race neutral criteria. And Gator Lawyer called me a racist, on his account, because the District Court Judge found that eliminating affirmative action would reduce that number to 6% under Harvard's own holistic admissions process, which is different than a race neutral admissions process.