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State AG Threatening to Remove Ft Myers Commissioners

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Mar 18, 2025.

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  1. Mar 20, 2025 #41
    G8trGr8t

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    and how does the law define reasonable ground?

    we are circular here. do you think the constitution reserves that kind of authority for a single individual?

    start with a clean slate. king for a day

    do you want to empower a single individual to use their discretion to be able to detain and deport any non citizen he feels compelled to target?
     
  2. Mar 20, 2025 #42
    OklahomaGator

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    Congress passed the law, if you read through it, it also gives the Secretary of HHS the same power if a NRA presents a health risk to the country. Do you have an issue with that?

    I'm fine with the law the way it is written.
     
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  3. Mar 20, 2025 #43
    GatorBen

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    The constitution reserves the power to decide matters of immigration to Congress, the judicial gloss is that is a plenary power of Congress (i.e. it’s a near absolute power), and courts have described Congress’s immigration powers as perhaps the most complete power they possess. There are judicial opinions noting that, if Congress wanted to deport literally every single non-citizen in the United States, they have the power to pass a law doing so.

    Given that, what suggests that they don’t have the power to say deport any alien the Secretary of State makes this certification about?
     
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  4. Mar 20, 2025 #44
    wgbgator

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    I'm no lawyer, but it seems like if there is an imposed standard of "reasonable ground" that opens up any exercise of that power to judicial review.
     
  5. Mar 20, 2025 #45
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    What is the substantive reason a County Sheriff should not hold someone a day or two longer at the County Jail if they know he has an outstanding Federal warrant? Regardless if its a Federal warrant for fraudulently receiving government benefits, unlawful entry into the United States or any other charge - what is the substantive justification for the County Sheriff to not extend basic courtesy to fellow law enforcement?
     
  6. Mar 21, 2025 #46
    G8trGr8t

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    This isn't federal warrants. It's resident/citizen status is my understanding. Are you legal? Prove it or go to jail. Any interaction. Report a rape, prove your citizenship. Run a stop sign, prove your citizenship
     
  7. Mar 24, 2025 #47
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    Below is from the ICE website on Program 287(g). Looks like it covers local law enforcement participation on warrants, incarcerated persons and routine policing. I'm critical of modern policing, but it's ridiculous to assert that ICE trains local law enforcement to respond to a rape call by asking for papers.

    ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations operates three 287(g) models:
    • The Jail Enforcement Model is designed to identify and process removable aliens — with criminal or pending criminal charges — who are arrested by state or local law enforcement agencies.
    • The Task Force Model serves as a force multiplier for law enforcement agencies to enforce limited immigration authority with ICE oversight during their routine police duties.
    • The Warrant Service Officer program allows ICE to train, certify and authorize state and local law enforcement officers to serve and execute administrative warrants on aliens in their agency’s jail.
     
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