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State AG Threatening to Remove Ft Myers Commissioners

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Mar 18, 2025.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    for failing to approve having the local police coordinate and train with ICE

    Florida AG threatens Fort Myers city council with removal if they don't cooperate with ICE • Florida Phoenix

    Attorney General James Uthmeier is threatening three Fort Myers city council members with removal from office after they refused Monday to deputize police officers to participate in immigration enforcement.

    Uthmeier, who became the attorney general a month ago, warned the council that Gov. Ron DeSantis could remove them from office if they didn’t allow the city police to question people about their immigration status and detain those subject to deportation.

    After hours of public testimony and debate, the city council of the Southwest Florida city voted a 3-3 deadlock Monday, stopping city police from entering into an agreement with the federal government to cooperate in immigration enforcement efforts.

    Over the past month, all 67 Florida sheriffs and at least 40 municipalities have entered into the 287(g) agreements with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, far exceeding the number of agreements from any other state.

    “Failure to correct the Council’s actions will result in the enforcement of all applicable civil and criminal penalties, including but not limited to being held in contempt, declaratory or injunctive relief, and removal from office by the Governor,” Uthmeier wrote in the letter he sent to the council Tuesday.
     
  2. tilly

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    Speaking purely from a legal sense here, arent they required to follow the law?
     
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  3. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    So 107 sheriffs and municipalities agreed to cooperate with ICE and 1 does not, There probably is a problem there,
     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    FM is the first one to vote against it, that is why Desi and the brownshirts are jumping on them with both feet, to scare all the others. Bullying and intimidation, it is the MAGA way.

    Bewildering to me that people that would normally be inclined to stand up to a person who bullies their way through life but will support that type of behaivor in pursuit of something they support.

    If the city doesn't have a choice, why is there even a vote required?

    this is about using local leo to identify and detain people here illegally to try and get deportation numbers up to look tougher than the next guy and help make dear leader happy, the rest is noise.

    if illegals are afraid to talk to local leo, bad guy wins, biiiggggly, and illegals are more likely to flee or commit serious crime to avoid being questioned and deported.

    so now state law is going to tell local leaders how to run their local police forces. why have local forces if they are going to be managed by the state? just put them all in one big brown shirted group
     
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  5. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    You seem fine with one district judge changing American foreign policy so this shouldn't be a problem.
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    I'm fine with a judge enforcing the constitution? You object to that?

    If local rule has no choice, why do they need to vote on it? What will their votes be dictated on next?

    Are you okay with state governor telling local leaders how to vote on local issues?
     
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  7. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    Not at all, but where in the constitution does it give the judges the right to overrule the President on foreign policy?
     
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  8. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    Not at all, but where in the constitution does it give the judges the right to overrule the President on foreign policy?
     
  9. demosthenes

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    Are you seriously questioning whether the courts have the authority to interpret the laws of the land? Been watching Fox News too often, have you?
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    This isn't a foreign policy question. This is due process. They were deported without due process.
     
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  11. OklahomaGator

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    A judge halted the deportation of M. Kahlil under Section 237(a)(4)(C)(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), which denotes individuals whose presence poses serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States as deportable.

    That's foreign policy.
     
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  12. G8trGr8t

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    Who gets to decide he is a threat?
    That's due process.
    Dear leader isn't allowed to arbitrarily decide who he considers a threat. That's a decision for a hearing and evidence before a judge..aka, due process
     
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  13. WESGATORS

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    I'm curious about this on a couple of fronts: (1) is this a cost issue? "Extra training" and/or additional job duties...who is paying for that? If state is providing the funding for this, then that would be worth noting. (2) Is there a logistical reason for not complying? I've seen some of it presented on this board, what is the total ask, and what is the state response to this? If this is just about completing a checkbox for somebody above you, then "no thank you." Good to see somebody stand up to the state, I don't like a full on bully approach (no matter the letters involved).

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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  14. WESGATORS

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    Something outside of his legal right to free speech?

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
  15. GatorBen

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    That statute doesn’t concern being a threat, it concerns having “potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences.” And the statute expressly says who gets to make that determination: the Secretary of State.
     
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  16. demosthenes

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    These are not unfettered executive powers. Where do you come with that notion? Perhaps educating yourself on the topic would be helpful.

    Explainer on First Amendment and Due Process Issues in Deportation of Pro-Palestinian Student Activist(s)
     
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  17. OklahomaGator

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    An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    It trains local officers to assist ICE identify and detain anyone they may suspect is illegal. As I understand it they must be trained to be able to be used as addl ICE eyes and ears. The more the immigrant is afraid of popo, the worse for everyone except those that prey on the immigrant
     
  19. demosthenes

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    C’mon, Ben. You know there’s a lot more to the process than simply Rubio making that determination. There are procedural issues and Constitutional issues that play a part.
     
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  20. G8trGr8t

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    Who gets to decide what is reasonable?
     
  21. OklahomaGator

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    The Secretary of State not some district judge.
     
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